New Dark Harvest rewards poke champs

ModKnightsKemplar·11/20/2018, 7:05:17 PM·4 votes·8,511 views

Because this rune allows you to get multiple procs on low health targets, I feel it's quite a bit better for poke champs than actual assassins. Being able to reliably earn stacks from range feels like it's undermining the purpose of the rune.

Yes, I did just get out of a game with DH Karthus, why do you ask?

But seriously, what is the thinking behind that design? I don't see how it can be balanced such that its usable for melee assassins when poke mages can abuse it so easily. What's the thinking behind that design?

24 Comments

DanyIsCome11/21/2018, 10:09:35 AM3 votes

I think the best way to balance it is to put a "maximum range" to proc the dark harvest (i.e. something like 400 units) or maybe let the souls fragments stay on the ground like the thresh's souls and make them fall near the enemy so that you have to commit to harvest them if you're a long range champ.

That way you can have melee work as intended without ranged poke champ abusing the rune.

Disulfiram11/21/2018, 4:24:52 PM2 votes

Dark Harvest doesn't exist in a vacuum: you have to compare it to the alternatives.

Does a Zed with Dark Harvest work better than with Electrocute? Does a Karthus with Dark Harvest deal more damage than with Predator? Does a Xerath with Dark Harvest poke better than with Comet?

If the answer is "no earlygame, yes lategame", then Dark Harvest is exactly where it's supposed to be.

Doge202011/20/2018, 7:07:35 PM2 votes

It’s to lower the power of stacking DH junglers so they can’t stack it as easily. The junglers would have to actively gank lanes to stack DH instead of power farming the jungle.

This can also be good with Assassins too, when they do their all in they can gain some pretty easy stacks on the enemy laner if done correctly.

nobotninja11/20/2018, 8:06:03 PM2 votes

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MLDzXnRRR11/20/2018, 7:38:33 PM2 votes

The point is to execute, not deal initial burst damage

Alzon11/21/2018, 4:55:40 PM1 votes

After spamming some ARAMs, I can say that yes, Dark Harvest is fine. It’s about equally strong on assassins and poke champions. Anyone with a big nuke ability uses it best.

PandaNator4311/20/2018, 7:57:15 PM1 votes

From the Patch notes:

Damaging a low-health champion deals bonus damage and harvests their soul

This should mitigate some of the discrepancy between melee and poke champions ability to stack souls. Not sure what the threshold is for "low-health." It may not be enough... we'll see.

5050BS11/20/2018, 8:59:47 PM1 votes

Its good on so many champs.

Veigar is crazy because his AP passive is Unlimited scaling and DH is unlimited scaling that using his AP.

Late game I can W in a team fight and (before the CD was added) proc it on everyone hit.