Veigar was reworked because of no counter play, why not riven

LilxPaprika·May 6, 2015·7 votes·1,132 views

Just watch this video: https://youtu.be/sLqAZsTBEyU

So I'm genuinely curious why riven isnt seen as problematic as the old veigar. I understand she flashes. I understand that flash itself is designed for just that, making flashy plays. A gnar has a bar and has a slight animation before he tosses people with ult. A fiddle ult needvision control fog of war. Kennen needs a few charges, not as instantaneous. Unlike veigar trap which often didn't require flash to instantly stun someone riven require melee range particularly when her ult is down.

However I find that the range on her stun in ult form is excessive, no?

I guess there's annie but she puts herself more at risk than a riven does IMO since riven has so much mobility. A dash into flash is even harder to react to than annie running up.

17 Comments

LilxPaprikaMay 6, 20152 votes

Look at that video, unless you have the sickest reaction time even if you weren't stunned by her you'd be pretty far that you'd have to w to someone then r. That's if your w is up. Likely just kick her to safety anyways.

You talk about cc like theres only riven to worry about, shes the top laner, people tell me the exact same thing to handle a mage or adc. Theres only so much cc to go around. There will be windows and riven will be looking for them. Some cc needs to be landed too. And for riven its usually hard cc since slows don't bother her much. Imagine if riven did this and there was a kat just waiting to clean up.

CC and spam is kind of oxymoron. On a team with a bit of everything, assassin, bruiser, tank, support. Even the slightest clumping and your vulnerable to a huge flash aoe stun into hydra into..any matter of follow up.

Can't cc her if stunned. She ults(ziggs one 3rd of hp already gone from wind slash, flash stun no one can cc her if stunned. Proceeds to trigger her hydra plus qs.. By this point the damage is done. Even if you cc her. Your team has to readjust from the fact that they are now all out of position and low enough that they not only need to worry about riven but every one else ready to clean up/ thirsty for blood.

Goodest GamerMay 6, 20153 votes

u realize that teamfight doesnt even count right? no one even paid attention to the riven, she did everyithng and they just focused something else. which is why everyone was surprised. it was a stupid teamfight. a legit one would mean riven being the first one cced and raped by the retarded tank.

ArtishyMay 6, 20152 votes

Lol... riven has really high cooldowns early game. And if she goes class cannon she can easily be bursted by an equally skilled opponent IF they dodge and not get into riven's way. Late game her cooldowns are really low if you get around 40% max cdr. But as i said... she can always be kited, and outplayed.

TL;DR It may seem like an easy champ such as garen but you have to have the mindset of a real skilled player to know when to go in.

TL;DR TL;DR She is a skill champ ready to outplay OR be outplayed.

ArtishyMay 6, 20151 votes

Oh and here's a clip of doublelift outplaying such riven. IN THE LCS -.- Right here Might i remind you that the riven in so clip is fed.

DurzakaMay 6, 20152 votes

That was not really outplaying...

He had a solid 2 seconds to react to DL repositioning there, and he still fired 2 more Qs and his fucking ult in the wrong direction.

The dude made a garbage play for god knows what reason.

I dont think Riven is a problem, but dont pretend that was an outplay.

ArtishyMay 6, 20151 votes

Garbage? you're calling an LCS player garbage.... and your'e silver 2 that's just redundant. He knows what he's doing. You don't.

DurzakaMay 6, 20151 votes

I never said i was any better.

But if you want to pretend that he played well go right ahead.

I also said it was a garbage play, not that he was a garbage player. Which is an objective fact.

lB2kGRlc8yMay 6, 20151 votes

If the riven had shot the abilities off in another direction, and the twitch instead moved int the predictable pattern, it would be considered even worse. Assuming you were put in the same position, would you assume he's going to stealth to the side? or would you assume he's simply trying to gtfo.

DurzakaMay 6, 20151 votes

He could have held his 2 Qs and ult for like 8 seconds and still had them when DL reappeared. So yes, I wouldnt fire them randomly where i thought he was going to be.

Toothless LionMay 6, 20151 votes

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Oh and here's a clip of doublelift outplaying such riven. IN THE LCS -.- Right here Might i remind you that the riven in so clip is fed.

.....Are you fucking stupid? That video proves the OP's point. Doublelift had to burn EVERYTHING and Riven completely whiffed ult. Even then Riven almost killed him.

ArtishyMay 31, 20151 votes

I'll just simply say something that i say in every game where people think a certain aspect is 'op'.

-ahem-

It's in the game, deal with it. Don't complain, just deal with it. There is ALWAYS a way to deal with it (the doublelift clip shows that he did in fact DEALT with it).

Might i remind you that the riven was fed... would you not waste your summoners to secure your life and a kill for a FED champion that could POSSIBLY win you the game.

Summoners are there for a reason.

Kariu RenaMay 6, 20152 votes

people downvoting you never got fucked by a decent riven

qqerqw aa hydra ult and if you're still not dead guess what? Her e and q is up again lolololo xDDDD outplayed XDXDXDXDXD all from across the map and her 1000 dash that you cant out run from

lB2kGRlc8yMay 6, 20151 votes

yea, when people say you can kite her, the only candidates i can think of off hand are ones with long range skillshots snares. If kiting was something that could be done, ashe would be good against her.

Goodest GamerMay 6, 20151 votes

riven uses her gapclosers as forms of damage, she sacrifices 1 of the 2 to do soemthing. if she goes in and uses all her spells, just kill her. simple as that. she has nothing after that. every single champ now has cc for her. spam cc and shes nothing but useless. when i play lee top, it doesnt mater if she shits on me, i get some form of sustain, a thornmail and randuins and laugh as she tries to get her damage off.

LilxPaprikaMay 6, 20151 votes

I wanna emphasize that I'm specifically looking at riven w (in ult form) and flash combo. I don't mind it without the flash. Its just the flash on riven is particularly powerful with her w, more so than anything else I can point to. And as such would set the bar for that amount of instalock. No less than the old veigar imo.

What if... If riven flashes her w aoe loses its extended ult range for 1 second. Be the first time a spell dynamically interacts with a summoner spell?