I don't really give a shit what you do to runes

Nomad Sol·May 23, 2017·23 votes·1,089 views

But if I don't get an IP refund on the ones I've already wasted IP on I'm going to be mad

Just letting you know

45 Comments

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 23, 20173 votes

lol be mad

IP is a free in game currency RIOT gives to reward you for playing their game for free they dont have to have IP at all and can take it away and not much you can do about it

DarkRitualMay 23, 20174 votes

I'm sure all the newer players trying to fill proper rune pages would love having a week of grinding for that ADC rune page wiped out and having to start over instead of increasing their champion pool.

I'd like to not have to restart from scratch if they do something like that, but I'd be able to get through it better than a lot of people.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 23, 20172 votes

what if they made everything in game obtainable only via RP ?

then what?

what if they go to a subscription based game where you gotta pay $ per month?

we are talking about a free in game currency that you get for simply playing any game in any game mode outside training and custom games by yourself

DarkRitualMay 23, 20175 votes

RP for everything? Subscription only? I'm fine with it personally. I ain't no poor ass. But the game would suffer significantly overall.

Yes, it's free. But that doesn't mean a shitton of players wouldn't feel screwed out of it. It would cause a significant negative backlash if they just sripped them from players without any sort of return. Again, the game would suffer overall.

They can take free stuff. They can also give free stuff to keep the players from feeling screwed, getting angry, and leaving.

Please never take a job in customer service.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 23, 20171 votes

lol never take a job in customer service ... cuz the idea is to give everything away for free? that is what is wrong with this entitled mindset.. nothing is free and when you do give something for free you just entitled people to expect it...

its kinda like if a 2 yr old throws a fit wanting his way and you give in you reward that behavior and therefore they learn as soon as they get mad and throw their fit and scream and cry they will get what they want. customers are the exact same way.

we live in a capitalist society and it is what makes the world go round... no one should expect or demand for anything to be free... just show some appreciation when you do get stuff for free

by the way all work is customer service... with out customers there is no work

DarkRitualMay 23, 20174 votes

You're not much of a businessman either.

Unhappy customers stop spending money. This has obvious effects on the bottom line. Businesses also give free stuff away all the time. It gets people interested in their product and encourages them to buy more. It's called marketing. While an immediate loss, it frequently results in a net profit over time.

I'm not even talking about giving shit for free just willy nilly. Something as a replacment for what people ALREADY purchased that becomes obsolete suddenly is GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE and GOOD FOR BUSINESS.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 23, 20171 votes

well nothing is actually free... its worked into prices of other goods/services to off set the cost of giving it away for free

you pay for everything indirectly.

DarkRitualMay 23, 20172 votes

Not always actually.

This generally applies to less expensive products (like foods, cosmetic and cheaper healthcare/personal grooming items).

With the help of a marketing firm, a company will give out free products. This helps serve to raise awareness, while also getting their products into the hands of potential customers.

The marketing strategy is generally pretty calculated. They will give an amount of product out in a specific marketplace, where they beleive they can obtain new customers. The expected amount of new customers (based partly on an average of products/services purchased per customer) is used to figure out how much of an up-front loss the company should expect to take, while also calculating an expexed long-term revenue gain.

Companies generally do NOT need to increase costs for their products/services, since a good marketing strategy pays for itself with a higher gross profit.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 23, 20171 votes

i didnt say increase cost... i said its already factored in to the cost... just as the advertising promotions etc...

as you claim a company might give out samples or whatever to market to obtain new customers ... they do so with the projection that it will generate a certain amount of sales an income by doing so ... therefore the amount they give away is off set by the projecting of sales and customer they plan on obtaining from the "free stuff"

Coltron77May 24, 20172 votes

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lol never take a job in customer service ... cuz the idea is to give everything away for free? that is what is wrong with this entitled mindset.. nothing is free and when you do give something for free you just entitled people to expect it...

its kinda like if a 2 yr old throws a fit wanting his way and you give in you reward that behavior and therefore they learn as soon as they get mad and throw their fit and scream and cry they will get what they want. customers are the exact same way.

we live in a capitalist society and it is what makes the world go round... no one should expect or demand for anything to be free... just show some appreciation when you do get stuff for free

by the way all work is customer service... with out customers there is no work

Do you have a job in customer service? I do, if you do as well then you should know that yes, you give them some small stuff for free, you make them feel special and that they came out ahead in the interaction.

Unhappy customers are not repeat customers, this is not the only moba and far from the only video game, you need a strong community of happy people(even if a loud minority inhabits the forums) in order to run a successful business. This is basic stuff. Why do you think there is ip at all? To mollify the people who will save for champions and then spend money on the skins for said champions.

Most of my friends grind there asses off because they would never spend money on a free game(ie something they could earn) but give them a cool skin to buy and they will drop 40$ on a DJ Sona. What you suggest is a pr nightmare, why would any company want unhappy, disenfranchised customers?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 24, 20171 votes

blizzard game World of Warcraft is a pay to play game and it still is going

Coltron77May 24, 20171 votes

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blizzard game World of Warcraft is a pay to play game and it still is going

Which currently has a free to play model implemented into the system to draw in customers.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 24, 20171 votes

but they do that knowing that people will end up PAYING to play so its factored into their projections and the end up paying to play any ways

Supreme Senpai69May 24, 20172 votes

Yes you give shit away for free in customer service. "I'm so sorry you had to wait 8 minutes for your taco sir here have a free drink." He goes away not feeling cheated and I lose literally nothing. The company loses 10 cents but when he comes back they gain like 10 bucks.

Even when entitled dipshits come by and demand free shit. It's easier to just give it to them. Not like you're losing remotely anything. Within reason obviously. It's all about making them feel like they're winning even if they're losing

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 24, 20171 votes

so the customers come back and spend more $ cuz u gave them a free drink ? therefore you do so with the projection of making more money by giving that item away therefore you dont lose $ as a company and the customers pays for whatever they got "free" indirectly

Supreme Senpai69May 24, 20171 votes

Exactly

The metaphor carries over to compensating for rune pages to keep people happy and stupid so they spend money on skins. People are really entitled and arrogant and when they're wronged they don't spend money anymore, thinking in doing so they're hurting the company. Really they're not. But still, I'd rather get money from customers than not get it, y'know?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 24, 20171 votes

but the same people crying over the cost of runes with IP are the same ones who dont wanna spend any RP to get champs cuz they already used all their IP on champs and didnt budget for runes .

seen it multiple of times on the boards... so they bitch and blame riot. on this account i have all champs but the last two released, 20 runes pages and most of all of the runes including the useless ones... i have spent a total of $335 on this account from the start of it... and id say at least half of that $ i spent was gifting to friends...

and as far as all you questioning my thought process of knowledge etc think im dumb that i know jack shit about business is wrong... i worked for a company for over 5 yrs getting people to come to time share presentations for "FREE SHIT" we would give them all kinds of BS to get them to agree to come and go through the timeshare spill... we knew we had to get so many people to show up to reach projected sales to cover the cost of runining the company and paying everyone and paying for the free shit we gave away...

at a job i was paid $9 an hour + bonus based on how many people showed and how many people bought i took home $800-$1000 a week

now the work i do now im an auto tech for a gmc dealership... i do "free stuff 'all the time like put in a lightbulb or refill air in tires etc knowing that person with the $75k yukon denali is gonna come back thinking we are kissing their ass then i hit them with a repair bill for $2000

LostFr0stMay 23, 20172 votes

That's pretty childish considering they reduced tier 2 (almost as good of stats) to 1ip, removed the useless tier 1s, and reduced the price of the most-used tier 3s while notifying us that they were getting ready to work on the rune update after the new client was released.

Just a thought though.

DarkRitualMay 23, 20179 votes

It's a legitimate concern though for players who haven't been on for years if they've been cobbling together proper rune pages. Like, for one full correct t3 rune page, you could get multiple newer champs. That's before even considering rune pages. If those don't stay, that's a fuckload of IP/RP that's been wasted by players.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 23, 20171 votes

but RIOT dont want you to use IP on champs they want you to get RP ... its how they make $$$

they give you IP as a way to balanced still being a free to play game by rewarding you with IP so you can get items in games like RUNES or CHAMPS

DarkRitualMay 23, 20171 votes

They make more off RP for skins than champs. It's how they keep making money off of established players. RP purchases by newer players to obtain champs is offered as an additional bonus revenue stream, but I don't beleive it to be their priority.

LostFr0stMay 23, 20171 votes

They reduced those prices two years ago to help that pain point. I'm not mentioning something new. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/store/sales/starter-t3-runes-permanent-discount-2-weeks

DarkRitualMay 23, 20172 votes

Full rune pages are still not cheap. If you play only one role, it's fine. But if you expect to play two roles and a variety of playstyles within those roles, the IP cost of 4 rune pages full of the proper t3 runes (two each for two roles, assume ad/ap/tank/other as a minimum) is still very high.

LostFr0stMay 23, 20171 votes

Not nearly as high as it used to be is what I'm saying. OP should be happy that they're finally going to address the pain point directly, not grumble about the past. I bought most of mine while they were still full-price, I should know.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 23, 20172 votes

you can get a basic ad page and a basic ap page for bout 9300 IP

9 ad marks 102 each total of 918 IP 9 armor seals 102 each total of 918 IP 3 attack speed quints 1025 each 3075IP 9 flat mr blues 102 each total of 918IP

9 magic pen marks 205 each total of 1845 IP same 9 armor seasls 3 ap quints 512 each total of 1536IP same 9 flat mr blues

grand total is 9210 IP for two full tier 3 base pages which can work for just about 98% of the champs

DarkRitualMay 23, 20179 votes

98% is a definate stretch. While a number of runes do criss-cross in their uses, that still does not cover a variety of playstyles in two roles. Two pages can work fine for general use, but having "correct" pages for certain champs/playstyles (like lethality) is still very much preferred.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 23, 20171 votes

champs are either ad or ap ... either one will help their early game damage and stats and armor and mr is good for all

is it the most optimal set up for every champ in ever situation ? NO but even if you had 100 rune pages you couldnt have a set up for every champ for every possible situation

13900 EssenceMay 24, 20176 votes

Good luck playing an AP jungler with either of those pages, a lot of AP jungler pages run attack speed for clear and AP for abilities. Stuff like gragas will also run more tank stats, sacrificing penetration.

After the jungle updates most clears are shit to begin with, running improper runes makes it literal hell.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 24, 20171 votes

you can run the ad page and build the ap stats u need on any ap jungler. they attack speed and ad will help with any clear...

13900 EssenceMay 24, 20174 votes

Yes, but then your ganks/counter-jungling/dealing with counter-jungling will be trash without AP or resistances.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 24, 20171 votes

lol resistances? what do u think the 9 armor seals and 9 flat mr blues are ?

13900 EssenceMay 24, 20172 votes

You are going to be running more than that, along with flat or scaling health. Again, using grag as an example, his passive scales off of health. Having it in runes benefits your passive heal and early tankyness.

BobaFlautistMay 24, 20172 votes

Not even remotely.

Flat armor gives healthier clears than go on any jungler, and there are only a very few junglers that aren't happy with attack-speed marks, so that will cover you for most junglers.

It's the quints that vary, that's pretty much it.

13900 EssenceMay 24, 20171 votes

Magic pen isn't necessary if you plan on building tanky, late game it will just be wasted stats.

I have seen people run magic pen on tanky AP jgs for early game pressure, but it leaves them more vulnerable.

The idea is that his 2 pages, only one runs attack speed, and that one does not have AP. Playing a tank AP jungler, running only attack speed with no AP makes it harder to clear camps like raptors and krugs, and makes early ganks worse.

Those pages work very efficiently for lanes, but with how much jg makes an impact on the map anymore, running sub optimal runes can greatly impact more than just you.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 24, 20171 votes

how does ad and attack speed slow the clear for DIANA ?

and wouldnt it help her cuz she relies on alot of autos in her combo ?

and as far as tank junglers like amumu, mao, nunu etc they run attack speed to clear ad with as helps them auto faster and have more damage on their autos... their base damage is high enough they dont need MAGIC PEN or AP to be a threat. and typically they get cinderhulk as well...

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 24, 20171 votes

oh btw i didnt say that is all the runes you need... to start the game off wth the 2 rune pages they give ... those pages will be moer then enough to get by on with that set up...

now as a player plays and gets more runepages and champs/runes etc as they gain and bank more IP they can expand...

but u wanna nick pick at it.. when it is a perfectly fine rune and rune pages to start with.

13900 EssenceMay 24, 20171 votes

I'm assuming you meant to respond to me, and a lot of junglers forego cinderhulk because it is literal trash since the tank reworks, and build runic echos.

Also, I didn't mention Diana (who does anymore, she is in a really bad state), I've been referring to things like Grag, Mao, and Amumu.

As for using an ADC page on a tanky AP jg, sure it is great for clearing, but your early pressure towards the enemy junglers and laners will be shit unless you have really high-damage early game champs in your lanes (ex. draven, caitlyn, yasuo, darius).

Like I said before, I agree it works for lanes and therefore most champions, but there are certainly a large amount of champions that perform significantly better with better pages.

WheatloafMay 24, 20171 votes

Runes are not the most ridiculously expensive things ever. But, when they rework runes, I'd rather not have the IP I spent on them disappear into the Void and have to restart from scratch.

Garbage Teemo MaMay 24, 20171 votes

Rune pages are still 6300 and you need at least 4 considering autofill bullshit is a thing if you're expected to play every single game without dodging.

And the difference may not look like much but it makes a difference early game when differences in dying can be 15-20 hp that can be changed by runes

Skins ProjectMay 24, 20171 votes

Think about it this way.

Everything COSTS rp.

That's how it works...

IP is just a way so you can get more content for free.

I.E. Consider Ip a gift. Not a currency,

LostFr0stMay 24, 20172 votes

Then wait for the 2 for 1 bi-annual rune page sale. I'm pretty sure one standard AD and one standard AP page still works for all roles, though I can understand wanting a third with att spd for jungle.

FooDangMay 23, 20171 votes

BigBellBruteMay 24, 20171 votes

One can go quite a way with just an AD rune page and an AP rune page. Then when they have a two for one sale on rune pages, which they do quite often, you can pick up your tank rune page and maybe your soraka Ambulance rune page.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 24, 20171 votes

thats basically what i stated but i have gotten all kinds of hate over it