Ornn's ult should destroy Yas' windwall.

Terozu·Sep 5, 2017·16 votes·1,681 views

Destroying player made terrain is Ornn's thing. I think this should happen. Maybe even if it's just after the headbutt.

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RalanrSep 5, 20177 votes

But it's not terrain.

TerozuSep 5, 20171 votes

Which is why, again, it should be destroyed by his ult, and yes it is, brush is terrain, but doesn't impede movement.

RalanrSep 5, 20173 votes

Brush isn't terrain. Terrain impedes movement.

TerozuSep 6, 20171 votes

No, terrain is the environment, brush and river are both terrain types in LoL. How do you not know this...

Meep ManSep 6, 20172 votes

By technicality, it is terrain. However, Ornn's thing is destroying player made, impassable terrain, not the world in general.

TerozuSep 6, 20171 votes

Ok impassible terrain is a phrase that needed to be brought up here. I can accept that, but not people saying that terrain is not terrain...

SalronSep 5, 20174 votes

Terrain affects player movement Just because it has "wall" in the name doesn't make it terrain

TerozuSep 5, 20172 votes

Which is why I say the ult should destroy it not the dash.

SalronSep 5, 20172 votes

"Destroying player made terrain is Ornn's thing"

Yeah It's Ornn's thing Windwall =! player made terrain

So it shouldn't destroy it

TerozuSep 5, 20171 votes

Yes it is player made terrain. I bet you also didn't know Brush, River, and veig stun are terrain.

Meep ManSep 6, 20171 votes

Brush, River, and Veigar Stun aren't terrain. What is your definition of terrain?

TerozuSep 6, 20171 votes

Terrain is land and its physical shape and effects on those moving through it. This isnt my definition this is the definition. Those things are in fact terrain.

a very bad nadoSep 5, 20171 votes

I agree.

GamblerOfLivesSep 5, 20173 votes

he can't block lux ult..

TerozuSep 5, 20171 votes

Nope, it's aoe not projectile, the ram is projectile.

BârdSep 5, 20173 votes

Ornn's ult doesn't destroy terrain.

Yasuo wall isn't terrain anyway.

This just doesn't make sense.

TerozuSep 5, 20171 votes

Yale's ult is terrain, as is Veigar stun, brush, and River.

Zone of EndlessSep 5, 20172 votes

but his windwall isn't actually a terrain. It's not unpassable terrain like Taliya's wall is.

TerozuSep 5, 20172 votes

Which is why his ult should destroy it not his dash, magic for magic.

TerozuSep 5, 20171 votes

And btw you answer yourself for me it's not impassable terrain, it's still terrain.

Meep ManSep 6, 20171 votes

It's not terrain though.

Dope SoloSep 5, 20172 votes

Rock, paper, Yas -NOTHING BEATS YAS.

Hexs FortuneSep 5, 20173 votes

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Rock, paper, Yas -NOTHING BEATS YAS.

The almighty ban beats yas

a very bad nadoSep 5, 20171 votes

GaliöSep 5, 20172 votes

Im laughing so hard that he thinks his windwall is terrain... and now im dying inside that he thinks bushes are terrain.

IcyPepperSep 5, 20172 votes

His logic is ridiculous, but the idea is interesting. What if there was a champion that could destroy windwall? Might be pretty cool

GaliöSep 5, 20171 votes

I agree on that point. Tbh his windwall is tge unhealthiest part of his kit since more and more abilities are protectiles/skillshots.

I dont think yasuo is strong or imbalanced... but his interactions with a lot of champs is obnoxious mostly due to windwall.

Id prefer to remove that ability from yasuo and give it to someone else.

Then maybe give a champion the ability to break it or have a break threshold once its in more of a utility champs kit.

So youd have the option of an unbreakable version with braum (but he takes damage) and an unmovable one like yasuo where no one takes danage but breaks or doesnt stay up as long.

Thats just ny opinion doe.

RalanrSep 5, 20172 votes

Seems too situational.

IcyPepperSep 5, 20171 votes

Only if it was just windwall. I mean, really, did you think I wanted an ability that only destroys windwall? XD

TerozuSep 6, 20171 votes

They are terrain. Rivers and brush are terrain. Wind can cause rough terrain. Its all terrain hiw do you not know what terrain is? And if you think it has to do with movement, you can get ms buffs in brysh and river, Yas's w used to grabt movement speed. Its all terrain, it just isnt a literal wall.

GaliöSep 6, 20171 votes

Nocturns trail is terrain, teemo shrooms is terrain, caitlyn traps are terrain, morganas pool is terrain, Yis Q is terrain, hecarim mid ult is terrain,shacos clone is terrain, urgots chains are terrain, udyr mid stance switch is terrain.

Orrn ult should stop all those things.

EDIT: kayles invulnerable shield is terrain too.

TerozuSep 6, 20171 votes

The problem is that terrain is an actual thing, and Teem shrooms and Nocturne trail ARE terrain, as would technically but less so, Cait and Shaco boxes, and Hecarims aura modifies the terrain to cause damage, so he can create terrain. I wouldnt mind Ornn breaking those as well it would make him more interesting. The rest are self buffs, skill shots, and a clone and have nothing to do with the environment.

GamblerOfLivesSep 5, 20171 votes

yasuo can block his R?

Beas7ieSep 5, 20171 votes

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yasuo can block his R?

Yasuo's ult blocks quite a few abilities it shouldn't be able to.

Lux ult

Braum ult

and apparently Orn ult.

Yep a little wall of wind can block a kamehameha, a fissure of rock and ice, and a giant molten rammed summoned by a frekking demigod sounds legit.

Meep ManSep 5, 20175 votes

It can't block Lux ult, but everything else is correct. It's a decent counter. Braum can destroy it too.

TerozuSep 5, 20172 votes

By walking into it right? Also dont 2 Yas windfalls cancel each other?

Beas7ieSep 5, 20171 votes

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It can't block Lux ult, but everything else is correct. It's a decent counter. Braum can destroy it too.

Maybe Riot changed it, but I have seen both in game and here on forums that his windwall HAS blocked lux's basic skills, and her ult along with Braums ult. Maybe there was just misinformation. Either way it should NOT do that so if it doesn't already then well good.

TerozuSep 5, 20174 votes

It blocks her basic skills, never her ult.

Meep ManSep 6, 20171 votes

It blocks everything but her ultimate, because it has no travel time and isn't a projectile. If it does, it is a bug.

TerozuSep 5, 20172 votes

Liz's ult is aoe not a projectile.

a very bad nadoSep 5, 20171 votes

That's exactly why his windwall doesn't block her ulti. It's just like a Vel'Koz ulti.

PhantomGGSep 5, 20173 votes

{quoted}

Yasuo's ult blocks quite a few abilities it shouldn't be able to.

Lux ult

Braum ult

and apparently Orn ult.

Yep a little wall of wind can block a kamehameha, a fissure of rock and ice, and a giant molten rammed summoned by a frekking demigod sounds legit.

why on earth have you not been downvoted to hell yet

a very bad nadoSep 5, 20171 votes

He's just tilted because he doesn't know how to play against a Yasuo.

Beas7ieSep 5, 20172 votes

{quoted}

why on earth have you not been downvoted to hell yet

-5 I apparently already have been or at least am getting there.

TheGoomyGamerSep 5, 20171 votes

{quoted}

Yasuo's ult blocks quite a few abilities it shouldn't be able to.

Lux ult

Braum ult

and apparently Orn ult.

Yep a little wall of wind can block a kamehameha, a fissure of rock and ice, and a giant molten rammed summoned by a frekking demigod sounds legit.

Not lux ult. That's a laser. Blocking lasers = big no no

DunkinNoobsSep 5, 20171 votes

If windwall is terrain, then people shouldn't be able to walk through it. That sounds like a very nice Yasuo buff to me.

TerozuSep 5, 20171 votes

Brush and River are terrain. I'm sorry I didn't realize they were walls.

a very bad nadoSep 5, 20171 votes

We'll see what Riot does about it.

Critmaster GarenSep 5, 20171 votes

windwall is not terrain.

its an ability like karthus w.

Meep ManSep 6, 20171 votes

Ornn is about destroying impassable terrain, not terrain in general. Plus, even if YOU consider Windwall terrain, it doesn't count as terrain when it comes to the core mechanics of the game. Mechanically speaking, Windwall, brush, and the river are not terrain. Technically speaking, they can be. However, gameplay should be balanced around mechanics, not technicalities. Plus, this is far too niche of a bonus to add to his ultimate as it basically is just "Screw Yasuo and no one else really". Riot doesn't do balance changes on one champion to make them directly counter another champion. If a champion is a naturally born counter (such as Olaf countering CC heavy champions), then Riot might buff them if the meta is filled with CC and they want a change. However, buffing one champion to simply force them to hard counter another champion is not how Riot works.

TL;DR Ornn's ultimate should not break Windwall as it doesn't make sense mechanically since Windwall isn't terrain mechanically speaking, and this change doesn't fit into Riot's philosophy when it comes to making balance changes. If there were MANY things like Yasuo's Windwall it might be acceptable, but that is not the case.