PSA: You main doesn't need a 55% win rate to be viable

Eedat·Jan 25, 2017·76 votes·5,612 views

EDIT: Typo right in the title. Sigh.

If your champ is hovering at a 49-51% win rate, CONGRATS! They are viable. They don't need buffs. You can play them just fine. Sure, they may not be as strong as they were at some point, but every champion has its ups and downs.

Just because your main had a 53% win rate at one point does NOT mean they need buffs when they're sitting at 50% now. If you actually played the champ because you liked them as opposed to just abusing them when they were flavor, its not a big deal.

It's pretty ridiculous when people demand buffs for their main who is currently sitting at a 51% win rate. Like what do these people want? They want their balanced champ to receive buffs that they dont need so they'll be broken and permaban for a patch before getting gutted?

If you only want to play a champ when they're top tier 54% WR, you're NOT a main

174 Comments

DunkinNoobsJan 25, 201735 votes

Smells like Sona. Her mains are up in arms whenever she doesn't have like a 56% winrate or some nonsense.

xelakerJan 25, 20173 votes

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Smells like Sona. Her mains are up in arms whenever she doesn't have like a 56% winrate or some nonsense.

she does tend to hover back and forth between sona, god like being of immeasurable power and sona, the human ward

AhristocatsJan 25, 20173 votes

yeah, it's fun having to get a plat smurf to play her

right dunkinNoobs?

DunkinNoobsJan 25, 201714 votes

She still has a higher winrate in diamond than my main does, and he's getting nerfed this patch. 0 sympathy from me.

AhristocatsJan 25, 20172 votes

that's why i said it's fun to have your main balanced around plat, it is right? having yasuo nerfed cause in plat he has 52% win rate, and 49% in diamond

Sona has a pick rate close to 0% in at least where i play (d1/d2) in my 300 ranked games no one picked Sona beside me 8 times, and champ.gg says she has 7% pick rate above plat+, nice joke If someone manages to find a win rate above d2, it would be like 56 or 58% due to her infinite low pick rate the only challenger Sona (awildapsona) that plays her plays her mid

but it's k, 53% win rate in plat+

DunkinNoobsJan 25, 20179 votes

Eh, current stats have Yasuo at 49.6% in plat and Sona at 51.5% in plat. Frankly. I feel like we'll see a Sona in competitive play this season before we see a Yasuo, although I wouldn't put money on either one at this point.

chipndip1Jan 25, 20179 votes

You won't see either.

Ben SharpioJan 25, 201720 votes

IKR? like, those morde mains popping up every now and then asking for buffs.

EedatJan 25, 20176 votes

This isnt aimed at any champion in specific. It's any champion.

NGNL AsianJan 25, 20172 votes

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IKR? like, those morde mains popping up every now and then asking for buffs.

i remember when morde was just a permaban or you pick, literally no counterplay unless you count point and click cc

LauchmelderJan 25, 20172 votes

We still have targeted stuns outside of Annie?

Golden Tager XJan 25, 20171 votes

TwistedFate Blitzcrank E Braum Nautilus {{champion:90} Pantheon Renekton Skarner Udyr

chipndip1Jan 25, 20173 votes

Forgot Leona.

Hunted9000Jan 25, 20171 votes

leona has to aim both her stuns

EDIT: Ah my bad I forgot about that.

chipndip1Jan 25, 20173 votes

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/993/875/084.png

Baron of BreadJan 25, 20173 votes

It's not like he was (or is) fast enough to dodge non-targeted cc.

Best Kog NAJan 25, 20177 votes

Normally this is true. But for Kog'Maw he does need changes, buffs to his mid game are needed.

(I'm saying this because he has a 55% winrate on champion.gg with < 1000 games played tho)

dunder killJan 25, 201731 votes

Normally this is true. Except when we're talking about MY main

Blatant hypocrisy is blatant. Holy hell

ValeckseraiJan 25, 20177 votes

Lol, so true. I've mained Karthus since I started playing the game (right after Ekko released) and have played him through ups and downs in winrate. For quite a while he was below 48% according to champion.gg. Annoying, but whatever, global ults and spamming exploding skittles was fun anyways so i kept at it and played him because i enjoyed him. Now, he's sitting at almost 53% on champion.gg and I have a 60% winrate with him in my matches overall. And people are still posting about how they want to buff him every now and then because... because. Lol, don't touch him up just so he can get nerfed later.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/575d6a813954be84ebf91fb5e0e49412/tumblr_mps42wbP1K1syn3qmo1_250.gif

ArakadiaJan 25, 20172 votes

Lol, don't touch him up just so he can get nerfed later.

This basically happened to Karma lol. That shield buff dun it.

MelledoneusJan 25, 20174 votes

FFS I wish they would let Shen hit 55% winrate. It's the 4-man bot gank meta and Shen isn't even benefitting.

ArakadiaJan 25, 20172 votes

True. I wish they'd either make him tankier, if they want him to have bad damage, or give him actual damage again.

Additionally, they could add some feature instead of a buff. I've heard people say give him stealth upon teleporting from his ult, or giving him a heal for Q-ing through enemies.

BardfulJan 25, 20174 votes

Do you think Bard could use a buff though?

ArakadiaJan 25, 20178 votes

Bard could always use buffs.

In my humblest, none Bard Biased opinion, he should receive the following buffs.

Bard now generates chimes 2.5x faster as before. He also receives 4x as much xp, but does not receive xp from minions.
Q: Bard's Q always stuns. It also extends every time it hits an enemy. And scales off chimes collected.
W: Instantly heals full amount. Also cleanses CC and prevents incoming CC for 4 seconds.
E: Bard can go through both ends.
R: The debuff is permanent.

Bard is most definitely not my most played.

BIG DADDY BARDJan 25, 20173 votes

You forgot the part about once you hit 15 chimes, your meeps stun for 2.5 seconds

13900 EssenceJan 25, 20176 votes

There was some memes and games post about overloading your favorite champion, and part of my post on it was about making bard's q slingshot out of his e at warp-speed if shot through it, instantly disintegrating anything it comes in contact with.

I think that was my favorite part.

maembeJan 25, 20174 votes

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There was some memes and games post about overloading your favorite champion, and part of my post on it was about making bard's q slingshot out of his e at warp-speed if shot through it, instantly disintegrating anything it comes in contact with.

I think that was my favorite part.

All memes aside, It would be so awesome if you send projectile spells through magical journey, like Jace's gate only it works for all spells (enemy and ally).

I so badly want to make a magical journey through Yasuo's wind wall and blast some projectiles in his face...

that came out wrong but you get the idea.

macromiteJan 25, 20173 votes

R: The debuff is permanent.

holy shit

ArakadiaJan 26, 20172 votes

I think its an acceptable buff.

Rude NameJan 26, 20171 votes

I'm not kidding. They need to have that.

They need to have All For One (for both teams), but each champ has one ridiculous change to them.

I want Bard to have that

Edit: Gonna add my main to this list. Instead of 3 stars, Aurelion should have 30. Every hit triggers the "Boop" voiceline

ArakadiaJan 27, 20172 votes

They should clean the balance team shelves, and just replace them all with you.

DEmperor95Jan 25, 20174 votes

My main certainly doesn't need to have a high winrate, but definitely not as low as 41% either.

Azir :(

Cosmic WarperJan 25, 20171 votes

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My main certainly doesn't need to have a high winrate, but definitely not as low as 41% either.

:(

I'd be fine with azir's winrate if players with more games on him actually had higher winrates nearing 50-55%. He feels so underwhelming to play right now due to all the burst in the game

VathrielJan 25, 20171 votes

To be fair, I main Azir and my win rate hovers around 70%

Cosmic WarperJan 25, 20173 votes

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To be fair, I main Azir and my win rate hovers around 70%

everything works in bronze though. You can play any champion and do well with it

BoilTheOilJan 25, 20171 votes

Well they buffed my main MasterYi yay but nerfed my other 2 mains Yasuo Darius :(

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJan 25, 201716 votes

man only if you could hit those skill shots with all of your mains you would be a god

BoilTheOilJan 25, 20172 votes

yasuo is hard yi is easy but can do alot better if you learn his tricks darius is simple

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJan 25, 20175 votes

lol ya know i was jacking with ya about skill shots on those champs right ? lol

its ok my mains typically are (back in the day )

so wtf do i know about skill shots

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Troll for TrumpJan 25, 20171 votes

I won't ask for buffs, but Darius doesn't need nerfs. It's not that he's OP, he's been stable for a long time. He's strong as a result of the meta, and Riot will probably forget about him for a long time after this poppy meta ends

ArakadiaJan 25, 20176 votes

Please. Poppy is not shaping the entire meta.

JoseraphJan 25, 20174 votes

Darius is barely getting nerfed, they're just making his weak points a bit more defined so you can play against him if you aren't Poppy

Tychusfindlay919Jan 25, 20172 votes

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Darius is barely getting nerfed, they're just making his weak points a bit more defined so you can play against him if you aren't Poppy

Nerfing noxian might == nerfing his weak points.

Troll for TrumpJan 25, 20171 votes

They nerfed his strongest point, and punished him more for his weak point.

They need to revert the 50%-35% things so he can actually deal with mobility. As it stands, you get shit on by Yas/Riven types. The only way to beat those is through targeted cc, which RIot keeps removing. Champs need more anti-mobility tools, like grounded.

JoseraphJan 25, 20173 votes

But that's kinda the whole point of juggernauts, in that they scale off of the enemy's stupidity. It's not like Darius is the only jugger that suffers against mobility. Problem is he was ridiculously oppressive earlier on.

General TherittJan 25, 20174 votes

He really does. Getting a 5 auto trade into a Q can basically force an opponent recall at level 1. Darius overall is ridiculous with his powerspikes, and this is coming from a guy who plays a lot of Gnar Darius and even Kled , all of which are known for hitting level 2 or three and basically all-in-ing you so hard you'll forget you hit level 2 as well. But the difference between the three is that Gnar, Kled, even Jayce, as lane bullies, need to wait a level or so. Darius can go in level one with almost any ability and force a recall with devastating damage. And remember, a five stack of bleed gives Darius a ton of bonus AD, forcing an opponent to retreat or deal with a buffed up level 1 who just got 10 AD short of a free BF sword. He needed nerfs. But other champions, like Jayce, need even more tuning since the level 1 bully just got held down a bit, meaning they get to excel.

Tychusfindlay919Jan 25, 20172 votes

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He really does. Getting a 5 auto trade into a Q can basically force an opponent recall at level 1. Darius overall is ridiculous with his powerspikes, and this is coming from a guy who plays a lot of and even , all of which are known for hitting level 2 or three and basically all-in-ing you so hard you'll forget you hit level 2 as well. But the difference between the three is that Gnar, Kled, even Jayce, as lane bullies, need to wait a level or so. Darius can go in level one with almost any ability and force a recall with devastating damage. And remember, a five stack of bleed gives Darius a ton of bonus AD, forcing an opponent to retreat or deal with a buffed up level 1 who just got 10 AD short of a free BF sword. He needed nerfs. But other champions, like Jayce, need even more tuning since the level 1 bully just got held down a bit, meaning they get to excel.

Oh whatever. Darius's passive was the same for over a year, never heard you crying back then. It absolutely is the meta, and specifically courage that brought him here, and when all that eventually shifts, we'll just be left with an unnecessarily weaker darius.