Zed Buffs? Riot really?

[{quoted}](name=Zair Umbras,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hvEmgIkR,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-14T00:01:10.177+0000)

No more crit chance from Ghostblade, but it now gives 65 AD. Hydra increased, but so was every other item in the game to make up for the LARGE increase in global gold everyone gets.... And the Last Whisper nerf is saddening, yes, -but- you can build a Cleaver and get almost the same amount of ArP you had once gotten from the previous LW, especially when you mix it with 19 ArP in runes and the 20 ArP from Ghostblade.

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Before the update: 115 AD and 35% crit chance for 6600 gold.

Now: 130 AD and 20% crit chance for 6800 gold.

Anyone with a brain will take consistent crits over 15 AD.

Also Black Cleaver isn't even close to being as effective as Last Whisper, it also costs 1100 more gold.

As for winrates, I dunno why anyone would look at their winrates right now. It's 2 days into the patch and most sites like Champion.GG haven't even fully updated yet. Champion.GG is still sitting at 5.21 while we're on 5.22. LeagueOfGraphs has updated, though the winrate change is matched by a doubling in playrate. He lost about 4% win rate, but he's played in 8% of ALL games Plat+ for Talon.

The fact that their win rates dropped drastically across all regions does mean something, and it's not something positive.

You can't really claim anything only a couple days into a patch. You can look at many champions who get 'nerfed', there's this... panic button everyone hits, so they jump on the champion and start flailing around trying to adjust and end up getting behind, then they claim it's because the nerfs and not the fact that they made mistakes. There's a whole new mastery system and new items. One can not claim anything especially since until last night, there wasn't even a Phantom Dancer to use, which is what everyone is claiming to be the 'anti-assassin' item. So without the main item even there, how can one claim these champions are doing poorly?

Phantom Dancer is just one of few reasons why Assassins are weaker. Several other reasons have already been mentioned in this thread.

This is simply just people rushing to play champions they're rusty on while there's brand new masteries and lots of changes to items as well as warding. Heck, Darius had been hotfixed to do more damage and such on his release patch, yet his win rate was in the floor and people said he was bad until the next patch was released that said Darius had been buffed when Darius already had those buffs in the previous patch. He was Kassadin level banning after that patch too even though HE WAS STRONG BEFORE IT AND NOTHING CHANGED. lol.

Nope, no matter how you look at it their numbers went down, and you know what that means? That's right, it means they're weaker. In this case, far weaker.

Standard Zed build:

Standard Rengar & Talon build: (add if Jungle Rengar)

A crit build is by far the most efficient on them, it's been proven (even though it should be pretty obvious).

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hvEmgIkR,comment-id=000000010001000100000000,timestamp=2015-11-14T00:40:02.715+0000)

You do realize it used to have 120 AP a few months ago, right?

You do realize it was nerfed because every AP item had its cost and AP adjusted? Like Liandry's was 50 prior, now it's 80? Rylai's procs a 40% slow on AoE's now? Rabadon's gave 30% not 35%? Archangel's had a base of 60, not 80? RoA gave much less mana and 100 more health?

Yeah. Lots of AP item changes and everyone was fine with these changes because it allowed you to pick items that weren't JUST Rabs, Zhonya's, Luden's, Nomicon, and Void.

Now small increases happen to AP items as well as AD items AND to tank items and all of a sudden everyone thinks 'OHMYGOD, MAGE ITEMS ARE BEING NERFED SO HARD'. 5 Armor and the prices are being increased to make up for global gold gain increase. Such a harsh nerf.