What Rework Would You Want Worked On Right Now?

Forhonor321·Dec 6, 2016·28 votes·12,019 views

So just out of curiosity and because I like people's thoughts on this kind of stuff, if Riot had some sort of pole/vote or you could decide what champion would get a rework right now, which champion would it be? This can be a mini rework like the class updates or Shyvana recently or a large scale rework like Sion, Poppy, and Yorick. I know the WW and Galio rework are already being worked on and there are rumors for a Morgana/Kayle duo rework but I'm just saying what would you want after the current reworks in production right now. (Also try give reason to why you want this rework)

183 Comments

It Hertz When IPDec 6, 201646 votes

Warwick and Xin Zhao. Both old, outdated champions who at this point are little more than walking item mounts.

Xin: Jumps at you and whacks you with a spear until you die or he does. His kit pretty much just boosts that.

WW: Jumps at you and whacks you with his claws until you die or he does. With the exception of a lackluster Q, pretty much his entire kit revolves around this.

People whine about Lux, but IMO these two are the least interactive champions in the game. WW in particular suffers from a lack of access to a gapcloser outside of his ult.

EDIT: I know you mentioned WW already, but we've been waiting on his rework for so long, I just want to remind Riot and the community that he REALLY needs some TLC.

RiotRiot ScruffyDec 6, 201649 votes

+1 to this, both of those guys could be so good.

It Hertz When IPDec 6, 201641 votes

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AMYS GRAVEDec 7, 20165 votes

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you missed the 'h'

SlashStrikerDec 6, 20162 votes

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+1 to this, both of those guys could be so good.

What about champions that are currently underperforming?

Xin Zhao got stable Win Rate at nearly 52% and 4% pick rate

SlythionDec 7, 20169 votes

you don't usually rework champions because they aren't doing well in a current meta. You usually rework champions because

a) they are old/out-dated and have non-interactive kits or... b) their kits have been proven to be too hard to balance (look at what Riot has said about Kalista)

PredatoratorDec 6, 201631 votes

Don't forget Tryndamere when talking about uninteractive champions =)

It Hertz When IPDec 6, 20165 votes

His issues are IMO all just manifestations of issues with crit RNG in general, his kit is otherwise sorta ok? I mean, he could use some changes, but he wouldn't be my first choice for high priority rework status.

DeathBurstDec 6, 201618 votes

Nah, the crit RNG isn't really the issue. People just want an easy scapegoat to whine.

But Crits aside, his kit is definitely not sorta OK. He jumps at you and whacks you with his sword until you die or he does. Except it always takes 3 more seconds than planned to kill him. He's just as bad as the 2 others you cited. I'd even say that Xin is in a better shape, 'cause his kit at least has some nuances to be used properly and most efficiently.

Forhonor321Dec 6, 20163 votes

Him jumping in and whacking you to death does sound completely accurate to how he is now. But on top of this, he only ever has one actual damaging ability which combined with crit chance to lower the cooldown can make it pop back up for him far quicker for very annoying escapes, his W is very situation dependent and can be countered pretty easily if a player turns back around at just the right time, but what really sells it for me that his kit is not ok is that he can still activate his ult when being CC'd. To me that's just feels unfair. Everyone else can activate abilities while CC'd (with the acception of Olaf who breaks CC) so why does Tryndamere get to activate his undying BS when he gets stunned just for him to cleanly get away?

DeathBurstDec 6, 20169 votes

Actually, Olaf and Tryndamere are not the only ones who can activate an ability while CC'ed:

GP fruits
Alistar ult
Rengo new empowered roar.

OneSmoothDudeDec 7, 20163 votes

Crit RNG is THE issue imo. I agree the rest of his kit is definitely not sorta OK, but it's at least palatable.

I don't think I go too far when I say that this game should reward making smart decisions and/or cleverly outplaying your opponent. Tryndamere's crits go against all of this.

There is no "meaningful decision" when a Tryndamere hits you at level 2. He goes in on you and hopes he gets lucky and crits. Whether he does or doesn't is out of both player's control, yet it can decide entire laning phases. Not okay.

The DrBonjigolloDec 6, 201612 votes

Also Aatrox: Jumps at you and whacks you with a Sword until you die or he does.

But really he needs some love, he has such a good archetype

Edit: Nunu too, he feels more like a yeti than a kid riding a yeti, even the snowball anim looks more like the yeti is spiting it out rather than Nunu himself throwing it.

It Hertz When IPDec 6, 20165 votes

IMO Aatrox's rework needs to wait until Riot figures out what they want him to be, because right now he's a melee drain tank diving fighter bruiser tank jungler juggernaut initiator. His kit looks like someone loaded every fighter ability idea into a shotgun, fired it at a wall, and used the first four that stuck.

Malicious MetalDec 6, 201632 votes

Yes, this is 100% Biased but Mordekaiser totally deserves to get his VGU asap. He has the potential to be bloody awesome, his themes and visual style really being something underutilized in League, seeing that his Archetype of Deathknight could really be expanded upon.

Forhonor321Dec 6, 20163 votes

Hell, I'm on board with this. Ever since his juggernaut rework first came out it was exciting to see him as a bot lane carry but now he's.....well you know. His themes are pretty interesting of Deathknight but also this metal wizard lord if they keep that theme going. I just hope that when they do update him he won't feel extremely squishy without his shield and feel like an actual juggernaut.

(P.S. - I really like some of the discussions you post)

Raid Boss MordeDec 6, 20163 votes

He especially needs it if he doesn't get anything for the Rylai's nerfs. He has so much potential

KorilloDec 6, 201624 votes

Aatrox

PaletongueDec 6, 201623 votes

Evelynn I can't wait for her new visuals and lore tbh

RalanrDec 6, 201617 votes

Personally I'd love a vanguard update. But for specific champions I'd want Tryndamere, Pantheon, Urgot, Irelia, and Mordekaiser get their full VGU.

Dabrick01Dec 6, 20162 votes

Tryndamere needs an update. I like the theme of an immortal, possessed swordsman, but 5 sec invincibility is just BS. I think he should be rewarded for building tanky and should be more of a bruiser.

DeathBurstDec 6, 20163 votes

I'm kinda curious what they'd do with Urgot and Morde, but these 2 champs are sincerely not in as bad a state as the boards would make you believe, they shouldn't be a high priority for a full VGU.

I vote for Tryndamere, and Irelia/Aatrox/Pantheon/Xin for an ex aequo 2nd place, all 4 of them for the same reason: they just stat check and jump on you if they can kill you, and are almost useless otherwise. Maybe Aatrox just a tiny bit above the other 3 because his "drain tank" property is inherently an issue (just like Morde), compared to the flat on-hit healing of Irelia and Xin.

TheIronRevenantDec 7, 20162 votes

How is morde not in a bad state?

DeathBurstDec 7, 20163 votes

(Disclaimer: wall of text incoming. You want the full justification of my previous statement, you'll get it...)

Could Morde be in a better state than he currently is? Sure...

The XP passive feels out of place now that Morde is mainly played in Solo lanes (I tried to make Morde Bot a thing, I really tried, but I couldn't make it alone...)
The Dragon Ghost is really fun but kinda gimmicky (just like Azir tower or Corky package, IMHO. I don't understand why they put such big passive but with also such huge CD... But it's a topic that deserves a full thread of its own.)
Even if it's much better than pre-rework, he still has a bit of an issue where if he gets ahead, he can build more damage, get more shield out of it, and become unkillable. As a consequence, he can't have the tools to outplay someone and actually get ahead in the early game.
Most important of all, his R is kinda holding him back. This single spell has the power to win a game just by itself. Even if Morde was dumpstered all game long, one good R on their carry past 35 minutes, and you won the game. You don't even need to kill the carry yourself, your team can do the job, you just have to tag them with R. As long as there is so much power locked up in this spell, Morde can't have an impactful and interesting kit alongside.

But in the end, these are not insurmountable issues, and Morde is still perfectly viable today at most ELOs. He could be in a better state, but he is not in a bad state.

He is NOT kept purposefully weak because he is NOT currently impossible to balance (contrary to Kalista/Azir/Aatrox/etc.).
Partly due to the previous point, he has a decent winrate in the hands of an experienced player, and on top of that, he is kinda strong against a lot of champions currently popular.
He has a clear strategic niche and a reason to be taken over other similar champs: his R, despite all the problems it causes, makes him a very good pick against a lot of hyper-carry short-range AD champs like Vayne, Yasuo, Master Yi, ... Alternatively, he synergyzes very well with a lot of hard engage champs with his W. There are clearly good and bad situation, he is not just a generic champ with a straightforward kit.

So, I really like the champ and his theme, and it could be executed much better, so I'm curious about what he could become after a full VGU, hell yeah. But does he need one just right now above anyone else? Definitely not.

P.S.: I'm not as knowledgeable about Urgot, so I won't go into details, but I believe his situation is pretty similar: he has intrinsic issues in his kit that he can't get rid off without a VGU, and he could be much cooler than he currently is, but despite these issues, he is still viable and has a clearly defined niche, so he should not be as high a priority as many other champions.

SpoofghoulDec 6, 201611 votes

DrMundo Goes where he pleases

If it pleases Mundo to skip in line to get a full VGU so be it

Chembaron YamadaDec 7, 20163 votes

This guy is really in need of it. His passive is literally "I have life regen.... well.... more than other guys...." and is just boring. The only skillshot he has is his Q, every single other skill in his kit feels absolutely passive and like you are doing nothing at all...

Dr. Mundo should be LoL's version of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, I love the idea behind his character, being a mad scientist experimenting with pain and how to create super soldiers. But he just doesn't match that fantasy, he just feels boring (and his model isn't really good looking, too....).

Please, Riot, give this guy a VGU soon, so I can enjoy being Mr. Hyde of Zaun!

Over InnsmouthDec 6, 20169 votes

What I personally want most is a Vlad VGU, minor gameplay update, major visual update. They don't need to change much about his kit, just give him some tweaks to better fit his identity. As a character, I feel like Vlad has so much potential to offer, VO and VFX wise, and I would love to see his painfully outdated models and animations updated.

Tribbles FoxfolkDec 6, 20167 votes

KogMaw Riot really needs to take Kog'Maw back to the drawing board. What's funny is that I loved his rework. It gave him an identity among the Marksman class: He's a living turret. He sets himself up and fires away at the enemy team, shredding their health if not dealt with. However, because of how harshly he abused on-hit effects such as Blade of the Ruined King, Guinsoo's Rageblade, and even Wit's End, Riot couldn't really find a way to make him balanced. He usually ended up way too good or total trash, which was heavily based on his favorite items being good or bad.

Riot reverted his rework and proceeded to butcher him. Kog'Maw is one of my favorite champs because of his unique nature as a "Turret Marksman", but he's constantly in a state of annoying flux. I feel bad for actual Kog'Maw mains, who have been far neglected. Riot should take him back to the drawing board, using his rework (which was a major success, IMHO) as a kickstart. It defined his identity perfectly, it was just that it ended up being ridiculously imbalanced due to the x2 AS buff on his W. Riot needs to find that balance in his Immobile Artillery niche so we can have our Koggles back.

XIII VanitasDec 6, 20167 votes

Aatrox Amumu Blitzcrank Chogath DrMundo Evelynn Fiddlesticks Jax Malphite Mordekaiser Nunu Pantheon Rammus Volibear XinZhao Irelia

Tons of wasted potential.

RisenDarkKnightDec 7, 20167 votes

Tryndamere one of the most binary champions in the game. Either he is strong enough to murder you during his ult when you can't fight back, or he isn't.

Also the RNG of his passive makes early laning as/against him super unpredictable and frustrating. He also is obnoxious to deal with as a split pusher since he can dash away repeatedly with his E if you try to collapse on him (or just ult and take a tower while ignoring his lane opponent).

Most trynds tend to feed early game, and some of them will farm up and carry hard late game. The rare trynds who win lane early will almost always dominate the game.

I don't really have a problem with him right now because I don't play top lane and trynd is not a popular pick, but I think he really needs a rework.

10TicklerDec 7, 20165 votes

Class update: Tanks. Morello's vision of tanks needing to be easily outscaled late is antiquated and should be changed

Critmaster GarenDec 6, 20164 votes

the ryze rework.

AcidTheWarlockDec 6, 20164 votes

lmao noice

NoblewindDec 6, 20163 votes

Looking forward to the diver/fighters update. I think a lot of these champs are just too similar in terms of gameplay atm.

Changes I think are really needed: Pantheon, Urgot, Xin, Fiddle (they're so dated). Also Kayle to me doesn't even look like a League of Legends character, she needs an update.

SukishooDec 6, 20163 votes

Evelynn

deadlychuckDec 6, 20163 votes

Still waiting on that Malzahar rework they promised, considering how dysfunctional they've made his kit now.

Kitty HoleDec 7, 20163 votes

Soraka Her base stats are pathetic late game. Then her kit just isnt fair.

Her q has too many delays. (Time it takes to hit ground, time untill you get speed, time untill health regen increases.) Plus the slow that never saved anyone.

Her w is suicide, you lose health and mana, while healing less than what you gave. Lets not forget that you're squishy and target priority.

Her E is mechanically flawed, the silence only works if it is cast under the target and its way to easy to walk out of, on top of that, you have to wait before it roots the enemy.

Her R Is anti climatic as hell dude. Okay think about how much 40% looks on a health bar. Your dead or running in todays meta at that low of health. The heal is considered stronger but its really not and 9/10 your mates die or they recall.. Redemption heals better.

One of my favorites but compared to other supports..

iTaLenTZDec 7, 20163 votes

Revert Malzahar and fire Repertoir

StephenizgodDec 7, 20162 votes

strange I say "revert Malzahar or rework him again" and i get downvoted... Must be your name :P

They ruined Malzahar and they need to fix him because he feels absolutely no fun.

VekknaDec 7, 20163 votes

Yasuo

It's like Riot focus grouped to find the most cancerous things the game could offer and then put them all on a single champ. Rework into something other than that.

Ariel the CruelDec 6, 20162 votes

Support. But not necessarily at a class level. I would like to seem the address the inherent design elements of the game that end up relegating support to "The role that wields the short straw". Which would mean fundamental changes to the game's core elements.

Definitely not something that could be finished over-night.

MYXYNDec 7, 20162 votes

i would really like to see a Jax rework, for being the best duelist in the world he definitely seems pretty one dimensional

ÈvilMortyDec 7, 20162 votes

Urgot

JasiwelDec 7, 20162 votes

Warwick

His kit is probably the most outdated right now, he has nothing inspiring in it, and he isn't really engaging to play against. Interactions with him revolve 100% around his ultimate once he hits level 6 and his ultimate feels more like it detracts from gameplay than it adds. 1v1 against him is like trying to walk through mud in ice skates. His teamfighting is virtually nonexistent and weak.

Edit: Oh hey, a downvote, that means my opinion is 100% invalidated! Thank you for leaving such a contribution to the conversation!

Edit2: I know he's being reworked RIGHT NOW, but that doesn't make my post any less relevant. Boards logic at its finest.

AcidTheWarlockDec 7, 20163 votes

WW is getting reworked.

Very soon (TM)

JasiwelDec 7, 20161 votes

I know that, I never implied he wasn't. The thread's prompt is "who do you want to be reworked on RIGHT NOW" and I want WW to be worked on RIGHT NOW. Given he IS being worked on RIGHT NOW, I am reinforcing that fact because I believe he needs it more than other champions on the rework slate.

AcidTheWarlockDec 7, 20162 votes

Hey, I'll upvote. Doggo is serious business.

JasiwelDec 8, 20162 votes

Indeed. The haters cannot comprehend Doggo, so they hate instead.