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I heard buffs were planned for Veigar in 5.18

Sasogwa··5 votes·2,309 views

As a former main of Veigar which I still occasionnally play, I'd like to say what I feel should be buffed or not buffed in Veigar's kit.

1st, Veigar for me is an evil yordle that's all about vengeance and he's more like "fuck you in particular" than "fuck you all". That's why I believe single-target/small aoe burst is an important part of his kit/ design. Also ,the fact he's about vengeance etc. means that it's ok if he has a weak laning. I don't think Veigar needs to have a good laning to be enjoyable. Also, he doesn't need to have shorter CD's or manacosts. Playing around huge mana costs, huge CD's is ok, it gives more strategy thinking about how he wants to manage that mana and not mindlessly spam it. As long as he has an overall quite reliable way to be threatening to squishy targets. Veigar is here to induce fear. Holy shit it's Veigar I should not stay close to this guy, he can burst me down. Much like a lot of burst champions you just don't want to get close to as a squishy guy. Like... right now, if you're a bit confident, you can walk up to him as easily as you want. Just don't walk in the super high delay spells and you're fine.

Nah.. that's not Veigar. We don't want a pseudo control mage Azir 2.0 with a Veigar ult that just has nothing to do with the rest. It's not like he has easy ways to get out. Veigar is not/ should not be forgiving. He has huge cd's, 0 mobility. He fucks up, he's dead. I'd like that aspect to remain and be clear. I'm fine if the stun delay would be 15, even 20 seconds tbh. I'll just have to be good and land it at the right time.

Right now, I think a good thing would be a slightlier faster E and W delay. Those spells hitting faster would make Veigar more dangerous and more reliable without making him an insta-no counterplay guy. His stun should not be dodged if he placed it right. People should be able to dash out/flash out, but not simply walk out. (thicker walls could be a thing, but it's a dangerous buff as well, so idk).

Feedback/opinions appreciated :)

TLDR : if you wanna buff Veigar, do not buff his CD's/manacosts/damage. Do QoL reliability changes. You could possibly change Q cd from 7/6.5/6/5.5/5 to 8/7/6/5/4 but that's it in the numbers sides.

24 Comments

lB2kGRlc8y4 votes

You know that they'll just overload his fucking Q some more without fixing his 2 abilities that require the opponents to willfully stand in them. People seem to think that since they do well with him that he's not a third of a champion with his entrails leaking out. I do well with current Veigar, but there were no situations in which I did well that the enemy couldn't have avoided the situation. People make Old Veigar out to be as bad a release LB was, and for some reason the people with this opinion crawled out of the woodwork only after he was gutted. Old Veigar could be countered by a single item, buying a merc treads would save you from 90% of fights with him before he maxed his E, and after that banshees made him worthless.

jjookkeerr3 votes

remove enemy ap from ult and buff his own to 1,5 or 1,6

Vesarixx2 votes

Had a red response a while ago that seemed to be leaning towards this as a potential place to buff him.

Skedadle2 votes

than I wont be able to one shot ap carries :(

Curling Veigar2 votes

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than I wont be able to one shot ap carries :(

yes you can, with a 500+160% AP ratio ult with 1.1k AP will oneshot everything including AP mages

Skedadle1 votes

ayy sadistic \ Veigar //

Veigod3 votes

Remove enemy AP ratio from ult and buff his own + when W is cast inside E, W automatically drops itself in the center and covers the entire stun cage.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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Remove enemy AP ratio from ult and buff his own + when W is cast inside E, W automatically drops itself in the center and covers the entire stun cage.

Please no. I may want quality of life buffs. But giving him an instant 1k dmg nuke to a giant AoE on top of an eraser ult doesn't bode well for balance or champion health. That's just like meh he needed buffs so I'm going to completely ignore his numbers and throw effects.

Veigod1 votes

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Please no. I may want quality of life buffs. But giving him an instant 1k dmg nuke to a giant AoE on top of an eraser ult doesn't bode well for balance or champion health. That's just like meh he needed buffs so I'm going to completely ignore his numbers and throw effects.

Instant AoE dmg nuke? .5 secs + 1.2 secs?

SirPacifista1 votes

You may have a good point RWO3, but buffing his R wont make him viable, nor would it be considered fair against adcs. (since they would be totally fucked, even by a Veigar who lost his lane)

i believe changing his E, into a direction which would decrease his delay would make him more viable mostly at higher elos he WAS played because a VERY GOOD, not medicore, very good Veigar player was a reliable force. Buffing his R would be nice, but he still would be too unreliable to play him at higher elos.

Jefftiffy2 votes

I still stand by my original statement of the real change the veigar needs. Was 16/2 with him in ranked pre-rework. He was oppressive especially if you got good enough with his stun. Sure they could try to shut down your farming but all you had to do was build mana regen and CDR and hide until you could Q and stun if you needed to back out. And once you started to get decent AP you flip into aggressive mode and just start nuking anyone in your path.

His current kit is much better, but I feel like he needs 1 specific thing. His W should falls .1-.15s faster. Why? Because merc treads countered his wall before and now. Except now it has a delay which makes it even harder to land. This allows him to still land his W reliably if he at least traps them inside his E or on a wall. The stopping dashes is extremely undervalued. I have watched Lee's go to dive me to smack their face into the wall and eat a full rotation and 2-3 tower shots and die.

If his W still isn't as reliable maybe instead make it so the wall operates similar to Galio ult (constantly applied CC), but I would really like to avoid making him reliant on his E again. I like his new Q (yay for more safety and farming combined with poke potential) and I net 100+ more AP a game which means a lot more damage on everything but my ult which tends to end up slightly worse than before.

Sniper 03 votes

I think the main issue with Veigar right now is the state of his w. It was reliant on his wall before and it still is. So by fiddling with his wall they made his w more difficult to land. :/

Vesarixx1 votes

I suggested making it have the same cast time as Kog'Maw ultimate during the initial rework

Meep Man1 votes

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I still stand by my original statement of the real change the veigar needs. Was 16/2 with him in ranked pre-rework. He was oppressive especially if you got good enough with his stun. Sure they could try to shut down your farming but all you had to do was build mana regen and CDR and hide until you could Q and stun if you needed to back out. And once you started to get decent AP you flip into aggressive mode and just start nuking anyone in your path.

His current kit is much better, but I feel like he needs 1 specific thing. His W should falls .1-.15s faster. Why? Because merc treads countered his wall before and now. Except now it has a delay which makes it even harder to land. This allows him to still land his W reliably if he at least traps them inside his E or on a wall. The stopping dashes is extremely undervalued. I have watched Lee's go to dive me to smack their face into the wall and eat a full rotation and 2-3 tower shots and die.

If his W still isn't as reliable maybe instead make it so the wall operates similar to Galio ult (constantly applied CC), but I would really like to avoid making him reliant on his E again. I like his new Q (yay for more safety and farming combined with poke potential) and I net 100+ more AP a game which means a lot more damage on everything but my ult which tends to end up slightly worse than before.

Your wish is granted. It's delay has been reduced by about 0.2 seconds since now it's delay begins before the cast time instead of after. Plus more AP.

WarlockLaw2 votes

I would like to see his stun become more of a "trapped in the cage style ability" that they were shooting for. Personally I've never liked how easy it is for a ranged champ to burst Veigar from inside the cage. What if we made the inside of the cage a silence field. Obviously this change would merit some nerfs to his kit elsewhere (lower duration of cage or shorter stun or lower enemy ap ratio) but I feel that would help with both his anti-mage identity and his "trapped in a cage" thing riot mentioned

TheDogIsOut2 votes

Well, the problem if we just buff Veigar's R (which was admittedly nerfed for no reason, I agree) is that we might kinda make him a "press R to kill someone" kind of champion and the other spells are like, launch it randomly, maybe it'll hit (?)

I would be fine with a slight reduction of E delay. W should be linked with E, one does not work without the other, except in rare circumstances (WW ulted someone, he can't move is one of those). There's no need to reduce the delay on W if E is reliable on your skill. Cause right now, it's not about how good you are, it's about how bad your opponent is

PVPMage1 votes

I main Veigar and usually play with platinum players, my average with Veigar is around 15/3/8 and i have played Veigar since i started in Season 3, He has a really high skillcap if you want to dominate

Veigar is in a really good spot at the moment. The reasons i will put into a list of cons and pros and ill explain after Also FYI as far as i know, his buff is just that he gets AP on the Q from champ assists too now

Pro's -High Burst -Insane CC Ability -Infinite Stacking -Great Range -Amazing Mana Regen Passive (fixed with item 3070 anditem 3165 )

Con's -Extremely Mana Hungry Early -No Mobility -2 Delayed Skillshots -Squishy as Hell

Now despite the changes that he had before to his Q and E I have found that this was a increased skillcap for a much stronger Veigar . I'll explain my reasoning now, Q: -it is now a long range, poke, safe farming tool that can hit TWO targets for massive damage -you can hit targets in fog of war and with its range you can pick up low health champs easily W: -it is pretty much the same but if you practice you can predict to hit champs in a teamfight with it without a stun E: it stops dashes, which saves your butt or saves your allies butts, Example leona E's you, she stops at wall it MAY have that delay and its less reactionary to save you from jumps R: it is just pretty much a point and click W

He is also really good if you itemize well

SirPacifista3 votes

I main and usually play with platinum players,

No you dont, NOT EVEN CLOSELY, did you ever review your matches and enemies? You are Silver 3, and all of your enemies are SIlver too. (in NORMALS and RANKED) look at your history and your enemies, they are all silver or bronze!! so, i have no idea why you try to boost yourself up with something which is quite the opposide.

Also Veigar is in now way in a good position right now, if you play silver 3 then jeah, THEN he is a pubstomper, since the enemys are as retarted as you.

No professional player is even touching Veigar since his nerf 7 month ago. And if you say that he is at a right spot, then you clearly have no idea what you are talking, even a movebility cripple can predict and evade his W, and nobody in his mind would get hit by Veigars E. And E stopping dashes is nice, but useless against people who know that, no good player would jump in it, they would flash if needed, use quicksilver or pick any champions who can ignore the stun completly like Fizz Ezreal Katarina Talon etc. eas as that.

Is your selfesteem so low that you have to lie that you are a good player? You should at least be proud beeing silver, it means you are better than 30% of all ranked players (i think). And i saw your games, enemies and allies, its easy to say that you are in no way even gold. THAT will take you a few years.

PVPMage1 votes

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No you dont, NOT EVEN CLOSELY, did you ever review your matches and enemies? You are Silver 3, and all of your enemies are SIlver too. (in NORMALS and RANKED) look at your history and your enemies, they are all silver or bronze!! so, i have no idea why you try to boost yourself up with something which is quite the opposide.

Also Veigar is in now way in a good position right now, if you play silver 3 then jeah, THEN he is a pubstomper, since the enemys are as retarted as you.

No professional player is even touching Veigar since his nerf 7 month ago. And if you say that he is at a right spot, then you clearly have no idea what you are talking, even a movebility cripple can predict and evade his W, and nobody in his mind would get hit by Veigars E. And E stopping dashes is nice, but useless against people who know that, no good player would jump in it, they would flash if needed, use quicksilver or pick any champions who can ignore the stun completly like Fizz Ezreal Katarina Talon etc. eas as that.

Is your selfesteem so low that you have to lie that you are a good player? You should at least be proud beeing silver, it means you are better than 30% of all ranked players (i think). And i saw your games, enemies and allies, its easy to say that you are in no way even gold. THAT will take you a few years.

i have been playing with my silver friends and i never touch ranked, i dont play solo cause i find it unfun. all i was saying sir. is that he is more of a niche pick and he is fine at the moment, now if you want me to show that i can play in gold, i will rank and you can b**** like a 5 year old to someone else

lB2kGRlc8y2 votes

The fact that he isn't playable at high levels means he's not in a good spot. Mediocre would be a step up from what he currently is in professional play, because then he could at least be played without damning his team from the start. Saying that landing his W and E are reliant on your skills as the Veigar player are also a misnomer, they're reliant on the enemy's ineptitude. 0.5 seconds isn't a horrendously long delay, but consider that most half second delayed area attacks affect more than a 30 unit wide sliver. For those abilities, centering the effect on the target drastically increases its hit chance, because they need to devote all of their attention to moving out of it. Veigar's E takes a fifth the time of the delay to move out of, so predictive casting won't help it land.

PVPMage1 votes

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The fact that he isn't playable at high levels means he's not in a good spot. Mediocre would be a step up from what he currently is in professional play, because then he could at least be played without damning his team from the start. Saying that landing his W and E are reliant on your skills as the Veigar player are also a misnomer, they're reliant on the enemy's ineptitude. 0.5 seconds isn't a horrendously long delay, but consider that most half second delayed area attacks affect more than a 30 unit wide sliver. For those abilities, centering the effect on the target drastically increases its hit chance, because they need to devote all of their attention to moving out of it. Veigar's E takes a fifth the time of the delay to move out of, so predictive casting won't help it land.

yeah. i was sorta trying to say he is fine at the moment but he's not for lcs, just like a massive chunk of the rest of the pool. they just arent made for high level play. the only times i hit W without stun is in teamfights cause it can be so hectic

lB2kGRlc8y3 votes

Big difference between Veigar and the rest of the pool is he's effectively a 2 ability champion, even if other champions aren't viable for LCS they can still use their abilities. The issue I face is that games are always unsatisfying now, I don't even have the tools necessary to outplay somebody as Veigar anymore. I either stomp them mercilessly, or I can't do jack shit and there's no middle ground. If Riot thinks that kind of play style is more healthy than the kill or be killed clutch mentality of old Veigar, then I fear there's no hope of conveying his issues to them.

SirPacifista1 votes

i have been playing with my silver friends and i never touch ranked, i dont play solo cause i find it unfun. all i was saying sir. is that he is more of a niche pick and he is fine at the moment, now if you want me to show that i can play in gold, i will rank and you can b** like a 5 year old to someone else

Dude, you are saying I QUOTE:

I main and usually play with platinum players, my average with is around 15/3/8

And there are still people who can still read your match history, i dont mean games with Quilipayun or Wispydruid, I MEAN you play bronze and silver if you play ALONE AND with your friends,

ALSO you did touch ranked, you are SILVER 3 in solo, BRONZE 5 in team 5 vs 5 and Bronze 4 in 3 vs 3. So, you WERE LYING ABOUT HOW GOOD YOU ARE, BY QUITE A BIT.

Also, you said

Veigar is in a really good spot at the moment.

AND

Now despite the changes that he had before to his Q and E I have found that this was a increased skillcap for a much stronger

THESE ARE QUOTES FROM YOU!!!

adn this is far way from your "correction" that hes a niche pick, you even stated that hes now stronger than before the rework of Q and E (and you meant the added delay and skillshot q changes)

Dude, you copy pasted this excuse of a post to a few Veigar forums, and now you are tying to defend yourself by saying "my silver friends" and "dont play solo cause i find it unfun" dude, whats wrong with you? at least show some balls OR dont say you are a good player and then cry because everything shows you are not.

Ohh and by the way

now if you want me to show that i can play in gold, i will rank and you can b** like a 5 year old to someone else

You can play ranked, for what i care, maybe you can become gold, but that doenst mean you are even a decent player. You should at least know that, if you are playing lol since season 3.

But excuse yourself for having "silver friends" as much as you like, doenst change the fact that you tried to give yourself a better standing in your post by lying about how good you are, with a lie that is so bad, that everyone who googles your name will find out that you are between silver and bronze...

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