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A list of champs that are ticking timebombs

DeusVult··7 votes·708 views

Camille Fiora Gangplank Riven Ekko Syndra Vayne Caitlyn Yasuo

Yet all of these champs have good early games (maybe Vayne not so much, but her late-game is godlike). But Fiora/Camille/GP are the highly safe/highly scaling trio of top lane who win early, mid and late. Riven has a good early game to the amount of damage she can do late if played by someone who can execute all of her animation cancels. Ekko and Syndra can 1 shot a ton of champs, but are very strong early as well. ADCs in general, but Vayne and Cait specifically have an, at worst, decent early game and then proceed to kill everything once they have 3 items. And Yasuo. Strong early, mid and late. No item that he buys feels bad on him, getting to 100% crit with 2 items and then buying Armor pen/lifesteal/survivability.

Can we return to late-game champs having a weak early game, so that they aren't winning lane and then coming back with items and inevitably winning it even harder. If a champ is a hyper-carry late game, then their early game should be hard so that they and their team have to work hard to get them off the ground.

27 Comments

Lugg4 votes

I have been saying the same thing for several seasons. Late game champs need to have horrible early games. Otherwise there is really no risk at all for picking them.

On the flip side, early game champs need to fall off MUCH harder late game. Pantheon is really the only early game champ that falls off hard.

SexyBabyJesusZ3 votes

I really dont get why fiora hasnt been nerfed yet, her damage is retarded and it scales so hard, plus her aoe ult. (what the fuck kind of fencer would just be able to heal their entire team i dont get it. I mean shes not magical so how the fuck does it make sense)

JhomasTefferson2 votes

Yeah, the heal should be for her alone, not her team. Then i think it would be fine.

Ralanr2 votes

Then she'd provide nothing for her team.

SexyBabyJesusZ2 votes

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Then she'd provide nothing for her team.

shes a duelist not a support.

Ralanr2 votes

She's also designed to be a better teamfighter than splitpusher.

Hell thats why her ult gives an AoE heal. To help her team in group fights.

SexyBabyJesusZ1 votes

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She's also designed to be a better teamfighter than splitpusher.

Hell thats why her ult gives an AoE heal. To help her team in group fights.

and because of that aoe heal shes broken af.

Joxcab2 votes

lol no It's the reason she didn't just splitpush for the entire game then come murder everyone with a Master Yi Q on steroids once she farmed enough.

It gives her a reason to even consider joining a teamfight and makes it far more interactive once she does since she has to work harder for a good result (1 Vital heal is shit) and the enemy team has a lot more ways to stop her.

SexyBabyJesusZ1 votes

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lol no It's the reason she didn't just splitpush for the entire game then come murder everyone with a Master Yi Q on steroids once she farmed enough.

It gives her a reason to even consider joining a teamfight and makes it far more interactive once she does since she has to work harder for a good result (1 Vital heal is shit) and the enemy team has a lot more ways to stop her.

shes a duelist, shes not supposed to be super strong in teamfights. get that through your dumb head.

Joxcab2 votes

A duelist that was only good at 1v1s which will almost never ever happen past laning phase.

Which is why she could do nothing but splitpush. That wasn't fun for the Fiora player. That wasn't fun for the enemy team to deal with.

So they reworked Fiora along with multiple other similar champions to give them a reason to join the teamfight instead of endlessly splitpushing.

She isn't super strong in teamfights. She has the potential to give an AoE heal. It doesn't make getting the heal off any easier. She is still just as bad as before against coordinated team play. But now she has a potential goal to work towards.

SexyBabyJesusZ1 votes

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A duelist that was only good at 1v1s which will almost never ever happen past laning phase.

Which is why she could do nothing but splitpush. That wasn't fun for the Fiora player. That wasn't fun for the enemy team to deal with.

So they reworked Fiora along with multiple other similar champions to give them a reason to join the teamfight instead of endlessly splitpushing.

She isn't super strong in teamfights. She has the potential to give an AoE heal. It doesn't make getting the heal off any easier. She is still just as bad as before against coordinated team play. But now she has a potential goal to work towards.

she can heal her entire team to full, whats not broken about that? her ult should be something that helps her in teamfights, not her plus her entire team.

Ralanr1 votes

Then just reduce the healing it provides.

Joxcab1 votes

Not anywhere near immediately and no, not most likely in most cases.

If it helped only her in teamfights, that'd be broken. She isn't supposed to be good in teamfights and dueling both.

The way it is now, she isn't good in teamfights, but it gives her INCENTIVE to take the risk and downside of fighting something she's bad at because it gives the rest of her team a potential significant advantage.

You are undermining how hard it is to get a good ultimate off against a coordinated team.

SexyBabyJesusZ1 votes

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Not anywhere near immediately and no, not most likely in most cases.

If it helped only her in teamfights, that'd be broken. She isn't supposed to be good in teamfights and dueling both.

The way it is now, she isn't good in teamfights, but it gives her INCENTIVE to take the risk and downside of fighting something she's bad at because it gives the rest of her team a potential significant advantage.

You are undermining how hard it is to get a good ultimate off against a coordinated team.

its easy af to get her ult off, maybe if you werent shit at her you would know. you just contradicted your own point, I said shes a duelist and shouldnt be good in teamfights, but now you say she shouldnt be good in teamfights?

every thread I see u on you say something really stupid over and over again and you have no clue what ur talking about.

Joxcab2 votes

She shouldn't be good in teamfights. She is not good in teamfights. It works out just fine.

No, it is not easy to get a 3-4 Vital ult off if the enemy team isn't complete fucking trash.

SexyBabyJesusZ1 votes

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She shouldn't be good in teamfights. She is not good in teamfights. It works out just fine.

No, it is not easy to get a 3-4 Vital ult off if the enemy team isn't complete fucking trash.

you dont need to get 4 vital hits to get ult off you fucking idiot LOL

all you need to do is ult a low hp adc and q and then boom your entire team can be healed.

Joxcab1 votes

Congratulations, you just blew an ultimate for a completely fucking shitty heal.

Ralanr2 votes

She's not super strong in teamfights, that's just something she can provide in teamfights.

DeusVult1 votes

Obligitory Ziggs Zilean for the title

Doodlzzz1 votes

GP early game isnt all that good

JhomasTefferson1 votes

I think riven needs to be replaced with Tryndamere.

Also, cait would be balanced well if only her traps could be triggered by minions, or didnt root, or didnt give a free headshot. One of those things has to go, because all three together are too good.

Billy VoHagen1 votes

GP wins early game

What?

Stephen The G1 votes

once he has tri force hes pretty hard to 1v1 unless you build all armor

DeusVult1 votes

GP wins early game by simply being able to farm and you have no way of stopping him.

He can safely farm with barrels and even if you do engage on him, he has his oranges.

Once he gets one item, or even sheen + phage, he dumps on most people top

Joxcab1 votes

Why is Camille on there? She is just bad.

Why is Ekko on there but not every other AP champion? They all scale because of how AP works.

420 grams1 votes

Camille isn't really that good. Fiora does well in some match ups, but she has tools to be able to fight in laning phase if she plays well but is still pretty weak. She has clear counter play that's easy to block most of her damage. Late game she's strong, but not really 1 v 5 hyper carry strong. GP doesn't do a lot early and has a lot of counter play. Riven feels like she sucks right now. Box box builds her full lethality every game and tries to play like a late game assassin. Ekko isn't that bad. He can kill you level 3 if you let him and is hard to kill post 6. Syndra is super strong. Vaynes early game is such garbage that's it's OK if she does high single target dps late. Caitlyn is oppressive at all points in the game. Yasuo is in a good spot since his last nerfs.

Eternal7911 votes

Actually Camille's early game is pretty over rated. Early game, she sucks against everyone you listed (and plenty more) but Riven. Her late game is where its at.

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