Remember the 35 minute laning phases of season 5?

I miss purchasable homeguard so much. They destroyed tp jungle hec/rammus with the change.

Wouldn't hurt to keep hg as is, but have the option to buy it early for 450Gold. But this gold won't be refunded at 20min just cos everyone else got it free (that's the cost for early advantage)

TBH they were more important in the S5 tank meta. They were the only real ones that could reliably kill tanks so games were often decided by who had the stronger late-game/tank-killing marksman. Combine that with objective control being huge in S5, especially at the end, the meta was pretty much just Trist and Jinx running around getting Pentas and maybe Kalista because she was still busted.

Way ahead of you!

First starting in season 4 I have to disagree

Remember the Ziggs meta?

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They were fun in the old days, but nowadays every tank feels like they do way too much damage. Tanks are meant to soak a ton of damage, not literally 1v5 entire teams and have a better KDA than your assassins have the time (cough poppy). Been feeling like this since the juggernaut update, just right now ADCs and mages deal way too much damage. I remember the juggernaut update had people questioning if they should just run full tank comps cause they live and deal damage making every other role kinda meaningless.

The more I think about this the more I see how much power creep there has been over the years...

Actually I don't think I've ever witnessed somebody successfully beating a late game even KDA poppy in a 1v1, I've even seen vaynes lose to her time to time.

The juggernaut update was a sad time to be alive. It made the already evident power creep even moreso, and would often have me asking aloud, "Why is everyone blowing everyone up instantly? wtf is going on?" - prior to my understanding of power creep.

GBay99 made a video recently on why he thought Camille wasn't OP, and it was basically that she's one of the only top laners that's good in early lane phase. Most early game top laners are only good relative to the tanks that they lane against, not actually that dominant early. Tanks are meant to be strong late game. Certain champs also scale better into late game than others, and Poppy would be one of those.

Tanks need to do some damage, otherwise they are essentially useless. They do significantly less damage than other roles, but they "outdamage" them in 1v1 fights because they don't take much damage in return. Tanks are also usually good at picking other people out, and so when people are caught out of position it feels more unfair.

Many tanks are legitimately overpowered right now, but it's not a fundamental problem, it's one of numbers. If the numbers of the meta tanks were toned down, then they would be a lot weaker. This might be the first place to start looking at changes.

To my understanding, many other MOBA games do not balance ADCs around being glass cannons, but rather having a little bit of defenses. League ADCs do more damage but are also much squishier as a result. This is probably the most fundamental problem, not that tanks do too much damage. If you nerf tank damage, we just go back to wet noodle fights, and that's no fun for anybody (and those saying they enjoy those fights, remember how many times other people intervene simply because the fight takes so damn long).

Tanks can't 1v5 unless massively ahead, since even they die to focus and can't minimize the enemy damage such that they take less than they deal. And the juggernaut update was a terrible state of balance.

They should focus on something else if they want new players tbh. Also, wasn't league of legends already one of the most played games?

The problem with nidalee is that she was balanced for a playstyle centered around laning, not jungling. This kind of thing happens whenever a champ is pulled out of their intended role. Remember hecarim top with challenging smite? Also, having been sitting around the high gold/low plat level consistently for the past few seasons, I can tell you that game length is shorter even at the same level of play. First tower bonus is absolutely raping the ability to make a comeback, as are other snowball-enforcing mechanics. There is no reason for this shit, and the fact of the matter is this: League is dying. Badly. Overwatch is crushing it, and this is in part because Riot absolutely gives 0 shits about us while Blizzard is clearly trying to please fans. The game hasn't even been out for a year yet and they've already completely reworked a shitty hero at the request of fans that hated her. Riot won't even nerf problem champs like yasuo.

Okay, towers weren't strong. The difference is the amount of damage that could be outputted onto them was way less.