Name one champ with a more reliable stun than Veigar

Cloud273··4 votes·1,667 views

Even without his stun, Veigar is a very powerful champ. Quite possibly the most loaded kit among AP champs with his insane AP ratios and free Ap for farming his 'q'. Also, unlike Nasus, Veigar's 'q' farming benefits ALL of his abilities, instead of just one of them.

Anyways, I just wanted to talk about the stun for a minute. Veigar's stun is the most reliable, and offers more utility than any other stun in this game. (It's essentially a thresh ult at level 1 if he chooses to take it early). And there are instances where the stun is useful at level 1. Let's say you're planning to invade and steal the jungler's buff. You could potentially stun an entire team if they are all defending the buff. Or you could prevent them from taking an objective simply by placing it over the monster. Veigar's stun offers an enormous amount of map control because of it's size, and when used correctly makes it extremely easy to secure objectives. Aside from the utility, Veigar's stun is also the most reliable and safest stun among Ap champs, due to it's massive range and size (compared to champs like Xerath, Lux, and Anivia;much smaller hitbox and less range). So, Veigar doesn't just hyperscale, he also has the most reliable CC.

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Meep Man4 votes

Annie Braum Fiddlesticks Gragas Jax Rammus Renekton Sejuani Syndra Taric Difference is most of these do damage too

Oddysseas2 votes

Where is Pantheon this guy????

Yulen Xoshxius1 votes

Fiddlesticks has a stun?

Ralquez2 votes

As far as your Nasus comparison, Veigar has 2.6 total ap ratios, and gets in general one ap per q, with the same doubling for large minions, monsters, and champions nasus gets, so for this one ap, he gets just under 3 damage, nasus gets 3 damage per q, on just his q

Reynard the ƒox1 votes

Taric?

Annie?

Never mind that's two gg report me.

Major Sparkles1 votes

How about name one champ with a more reliable non ult aoe stun than veigar?

Azrael0052 votes

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How about name one champ with a more reliable non ult aoe stun than veigar?

name one champion that is more vulnerable if they miss their stun

Major Sparkles1 votes

Against melee, xereth.

Ratbert1 votes

name one champ with that outranges xerath doe. It's not even true because xerath still has cc without his stun. Veigar is also gimped by his range too.

Major Sparkles1 votes

Except that Xereth can't use his ult on the run.

Ratbert1 votes

except veigar can't hit his w at all without his e so in total, veigar, being the single target burst mage, will do less than xerath, the aoe, long range monster who can still kill you without his stun.

Major Sparkles1 votes

Okay we're assuming that we're talking about close quarters, as in both xereth and veigar missed their stuns and are now being walloped on. Veigar uses Q + R and Xereth does Q + W both die after preforming their combos. Sorry bro but Veigar would have done more damage in this situation.

Ratbert1 votes

Except that's on one person, whereas xerath can hit 5. Besides, the original point of this was vulnerability, and xerath has a slow and a stun whereas veigar has only a stun.

RazorTS1 votes

every other champ with aoe stun

HidingOverHere1 votes

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How about name one champ with a more reliable non ult aoe stun than veigar?

uh yeah lets all make very specific requirements to a single champ's abilities. Darius is op cuz name a more reliable pull than his, Malz is op cuz name a more reliable long range suppress than his

Epicusmaximo1 votes

Loaded? ARE YOU SERIOUS? His Q never really hit for shit, his ult was the only thing he had going for him. Being able to engage every minute is hardly "loaded". Let's not also forget that very few Veigars can actually sit in lane and CS for 40 minutes.

Zed, LB and Fizz will literally kill him under the turret and escape if he isn't backing for health every 60 seconds. That was even with his unchanged E.

SouL1ess1 votes

No one hyperscales in league except for maybe Talon and a very skilled Zed.

Only a small number of champions can scale fast enough to decimate the enemy team (not necessarily by themselves), but remain reliable as a teamfight participant at the same time.

Orbv1 votes

Pantheon Taric

Cloud2731 votes

No one has more range than Veigar with their stun. And no one else has an AOE stun if I'm not mistaken.

Forgot about Annie, but she still doesn't have the insane range that Veigar's stun has.

Ratbert1 votes

Alistar Annie Anivia Cassiopeia Jax Gnar Kennen Leona Morgana Nautilus Riven Syndra Sejuani Sion Sona Viktor Zilean All these champs have aoe stuns.

georgiotatos1 votes

Annie Leona Syndra Viktor as far as aoe stuns go

Stephenizgod1 votes

Annie

Im all for the new Veigar (i have very little issue with him, this is a personal opinion) but if you want to argue for him you need to make better points :\ there are a ton of better stuns then Veigars.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

more relaible ?

lissandra is point and click, has also the capability to become a zhonya

ryze's cage

fiddle's fear

pantheons w etc

morgana (this is a troll but her q hits anything that is even close to it)

atm anything that is actualy guarenteed to hit beats veigars stun in reliability by far

so when it comes to reliablitiy veigar isnt the best there is

when it comes to power he indeed is realy powerfull unless you dont take syndras ult + e combo into account or galios ult (because ults) also the new zileans stun can actualy cover similar area jannas knockup competes and yasuo's q since it can hit multiple targets but those 2 dont realy mathc that power i think

but the main duscussion isnt realy about the power of the stun itself but the place it has in veigars kit, people get mad becuase the stun is the only thing that allows weigar to either get his damage to you, or stop your damage from getting to him

basicaly its a specialized skill that fills multiple roles in hir kit, and all of those roles are kinda core to his viability as he is -its safety -its capability to deal damage -its utility for the team

strip a squish without mobility off those and he is just a meat sack waiting to be killed

Major Sparkles1 votes

Nah, he's a glass cannon waiting to be smashed. Taric

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

To those who think Brand Yasuo can support..... pick Taric . His stun is just a point & click away, not something that has to be combo-ed or a 12 seconds wait.

Thresh Outta Fux1 votes

More importantly, you're saying "reliable" stun. Stun doesn't work on all these newfangled flashdash knockup champions.

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