if anything you should be complaining about the fact that her Q is the only source of decent damage in her kit, and its not even reliable because its a skill shot. like honestly, a champion whos entire source of damage output is stopped by simply hard pushing a minion wave is not a good champion.
people that get hit by her E Q Q combo deserves to die.
Sioxor7 votesZoe hasn't been out long enough for people to fully learn all of her capabilities and how to play against her. I am one of the people have some serious difficulty playing against her. Although I am sure I am not playing the matchup correctly, human error always occurs and even if you can avoid her abilities. The abilities Zoe may finally hit on you is just a little out of whack right now. Sure yeah I could dodge her abilities at level 3 but if I get hit by them it is almost a 1 shot kill. They definitely need to balance her damage out put a little more.
Malix Farwin1 votesZoe hasn't been out long enough for people to fully learn all of her capabilities and how to play against her. I am one of the people have some serious difficulty playing against her. Although I am sure I am not playing the matchup correctly, human error always occurs and even if you can avoid her abilities. The abilities Zoe may finally hit on you is just a little out of whack right now. Sure yeah I could dodge her abilities at level 3 but if I get hit by them it is almost a 1 shot kill. They definitely need to balance her damage out put a little more.
Pretty much this, since i play a lot of Zoe theres 2 key things i can say both from a design issue and a player issue:
First from a design issue: Her Base damage numbers are a bit too hit on her Q and should be nerfed a little.(this is coming from someone who wants to main her). I can run full support runes that have 0 damage and still chuck people. For now they should nerf base damage and see where she lands and if iit hurts her too much then buff scaling and force her to actually build AP.
Now with all that being said, from a player perspective. People are not looking at a number of things:
What she really wants to hit you with? Her E, you NEED to treat her in the same fashion as a Blitzcrank, Thresh, or Morgana. This means you need to zone her like those champions and punish her if she misses her E.
Another thing people need to remember is SHE IS A BURST MAGE AND YOU NEED TO TREAT HER AS SUCH. This means rushing MR like you would any other burst mage. Who in their right mind would not build MR against burst mages yet every game i play Zoe i hardly see any MR and it be from the people claiming she is "OP". No if i played Syndra or Annie i would blow you up just as quickly because you don't have MR(heck most of the games on Annie i just get Ionian boots and i get a free 1-2 kills every time flash is up, these are the kind of people you get that complain about Zoe).
In summary she may be a little overpowered however she isn't broken and there are certainly champions that are more overpowered then her. It's really hard to say because of how high her ban rate is her performance can mostly be from lack of experience against her(could you imagine if fizz or Syndra released right now with their current power? they would get the same if not more flack as Zoe just because people wouldn't know how to deal with their kit).
Kiw34346 votesseems like you're a complainer yourself lmao
Glîtchy3 votesThe only problem is her sleep which gets reduced cooldown when it hits, including if someone steps on the lingering circle.
Plus it gives additional damage, I was Naut jg against a Zoe mid and damn even with lots of MR (over 250) she still dealt shitloads.
lolipopevelynn2 votesThe only problem is her sleep which gets reduced cooldown when it hits, including if someone steps on the lingering circle.
Plus it gives additional damage, I was Naut jg against a Zoe mid and damn even with lots of MR (over 250) she still dealt shitloads.
annie would have done the same if not more. which is why the its really not a big deal.
Glîtchy2 votesannie would have done the same if not more. which is why the its really not a big deal.
Zoe laughs at every burst Mage except Veigar, who's the only Mage who outdamages her
Majestry1 voteslol no. Zoe has one single damage ability. If you don't die from the first q, you just don't die period.
MinchSko2 voteslol srry to say but that damm bubble is broken beyond everything. ooooh yes forgot to say that thing has no counter play
Karunamon1 votesAbout the only legitimate complaint I see about Zoe is her rng-based W, and the fact that you can push her Q outside of the map when lining up a shot.
Śhunpo1 votesYes, I love getting hit by ONE ability that travels extremely far THROUGH walls and has an AOE effect behind even if you miss it. I also love how if I do get hit said ability I have to pretty much walk away from my keyboard and accept my inevitable death.
There are reasons why people up in Challenger and even professional play despise this champion, and you'd think people would realise that she's an utterly disgusting champion.
Malix Farwin1 votesYes, I love getting hit by ONE ability that travels extremely far THROUGH walls and has an AOE effect behind even if you miss it. I also love how if I do get hit said ability I have to pretty much walk away from my keyboard and accept my inevitable death.
There are reasons why people up in Challenger and even professional play despise this champion, and you'd think people would realise that she's an utterly disgusting champion.
Sounds like you are just circle jerking without understanding why they are banning her.
About the only legitimate complaint I see about Zoe is her rng-based W, and the fact that you can push her Q outside of the map when lining up a shot.
Yes, I love getting hit by ONE ability that travels extremely far THROUGH walls and has an AOE effect behind even if you miss it. I also love how if I do get hit said ability I have to pretty much walk away from my keyboard and accept my inevitable death.
There are reasons why people up in Challenger and even professional play despise this champion, and you'd think people would realise that she's an utterly disgusting champion.
This is exactly my point, people know the strengths of her kit without bothering to know the weakness of it and in turn not bother to know how to deal with it. Zoe is one of my easiest match-up as Annie/Syndra because once i dodge her E she is a sitting duck and in team fights i know she will be in side lanes so extremely easy to catch and punish. If she tries to teamfight in the middle lane with her team her E and Q will be blocked by your tanks and you can literally run all over her and despite what people thing, her R is not mobility it is a range extender so if you get on top of her there is nothing at all she can do but people rather complain about her kit instead of learning how to deal with it. Heck you guys cannot even get a concise conclusion about what is op about her kit, if you got the complainers together the conclusion would be "gut everything" and not a single individual would say gut everything.
Śhunpo1 votesI'm not circlejerking at all. People are banning her because she's unforgiving with her E as well as the fact that she has a lot of safety, utility and damage from her W. She essentially loses any weaknesses she has by getting lucky with W.
Malix Farwin1 votesI'm not circlejerking at all. People are banning her because she's unforgiving with her E as well as the fact that she has a lot of safety, utility and damage from her W. She essentially loses any weaknesses she has by getting lucky with W.
her W is unreliable(and most of the time you get one you cannot even use without being in range of the enemy) and i just told you 2 post ago the weakness of her E. They are banning her because they do not want to deal with her or learn her kit like they do nearly every new champion and her ban rate is dropping daily.
Śhunpo1 votesAnd I just told you the overall ridiculousness of her W.
People aren't banning her purely because she's a new champion, get that stigma out of your head. They're banning her because she pretty much makes any game she's in an RNG fest where her opponent is left frustrated with her no matter which team wins.
Malix Farwin1 votesAnd I just told you the overall ridiculousness of her W.
People aren't banning her purely because she's a new champion, get that stigma out of your head. They're banning her because she pretty much makes any game she's in an RNG fest where her opponent is left frustrated with her no matter which team wins.
You know exactly what her R is when she picks it up, when summons drop you know she wants it and you can use it to your advantage. You can look not further than this post and see someone saying that something else is broken and not her W. You think her W is broken and circle jerk with a couple of people on the forum about it and then project that idea on to what "the pros think" even when you cannot cite a single "Pro" saying that and then presume to tell me to get some sort of "stigma" (which is facts btw) out of my head. while her summons are RNG you see what she gets, you know she wants them when they drop, and you know how she will use each one. It is far from RNG in that regard.
Heck even in this post you shift the focus to her W when in the previously one the "ridiculousness" was her E but now they are banning her because of her W lol? like i said her ban rates are already dropping in the normal fashion a champ does that releases strong. Things like this prove my argument and discredit yours.
Śhunpo1 votes"Things like this prove my argument and discredit yours." no need to get passive aggressive with me, I'm not going to bite your head off for being wrong.
Her W is RNG and that's that, RNG is unhealthy for the game.
UnboundHades1 votesmy problem with her is that her q for some reason is aoe for no reason other than to give her waveclear which makes it impossible to block for someone that got hit by a sleep half the time and that if she does land her e which is pretty generous then its a free %50 of your hp at least
Talh1 votes