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Jungle Grades Seem a Bit Off

Randomonium··5 votes·823 views

I've been playing Jungle a bit more recently and I've noticed that most of my grades are usually lower than I expect. I did a bit of experimentation and the only way I could get S ratings is if I stole a bunch of CS from my laners. Even if I had amazing KDAs, tons of damage dealt and taken, high kill participation, etc if I didn't have a high CS score I couldn't get higher than an A+. The point is that I don't want to have to steal CS from the lanes and gimp my laners just to get an S and I don't feel like I should have to. It seems to me that Jungler ratings are too dependent on CS rather than more important metrics like KDA and kill participation.

This is a game I played recently on Zac where I only got an A despite having a KDA of 22 and a 58% kill participation.

http://i.imgur.com/k7EoVHq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/E0ZN1hE.jpg

UPDATE: I was finally able to get an S on Zac. This is what it took which I feel is a bit absurd.

http://i.imgur.com/LbTSQTQ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/4ySPKs1.jpg

8 Comments

jodobo2 votes

who needs to farm minions when you can just farm champs.much more gold efficient to.

Randomonium3 votes

That was my theory too but farming champs doesn't get you an S apparently.

trash sion1 votes

Agreed. It seems like CS is factored in the same for Jungle as most roles, especially for champs that are often played in lane as well.

I can go 25/5/30, but if my CS is only 100 at 30 minutes I'm only gonna get an A+.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

I've gotten S+ in top support mid and adc. except jungle. and its prob my most played role.

twice as a support. S+. and people complain about support scoes. its the easiest role to get an S in. lol

SwiftKitten881 votes

i agree that seems like a stupid low score for how well you did.. but that being said.. Zac is pretty broken at the moment...

it could have a lot to do with everyone doing so well with him because he is so strong that that wasn't "s" worthy according to the game...

according to zac stat's in your elo (gold)

a "normal" game for zac is 5.3 / 4.6 / 11.7 with an average of 115.5 minions with a 51% win rate http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/zac so if that is normal.. for zac.. your really didnt do much better than the average player

edit:

yeah.. you did.. slightly better than average for zac http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/match/na/2301405588#participant3

Randomonium1 votes

Thanks for providing those stats.

Yeah so I was +2 on Kills, -3 on Deaths, +3 on Assists to give me a KDA of 22 (vice 3.7 for the average.) I was +45 on minions, did 15,000 more damage to champions (double the average) and my guess is that I also absorbed about double the damage that is average (though those stats aren't available.)

My point is that what else do I need to do? I died once. Are you expected to have a perfect game on a jungler to get an S? That's a much higher bar than for other roles. And this isn't just true for Zac. Every jungler I've played the only time I get an S is if I have farm comparable to my laners (which means I have to steal a lot of farm from my laners.) I shouldn't have to starve the rest of my team of gold (especially as a tank) to get an S.

SwiftKitten882 votes

{quoted}

Thanks for providing those stats.

Yeah so I was +2 on Kills, -3 on Deaths, +3 on Assists to give me a KDA of 22 (vice 3.7 for the average.) I was +45 on minions, did 15,000 more damage to champions (double the average) and my guess is that I also absorbed about double the damage that is average (though those stats aren't available.)

My point is that what else do I need to do? I died once. Are you expected to have a perfect game on a jungler to get an S? That's a much higher bar than for other roles. And this isn't just true for Zac. Every jungler I've played the only time I get an S is if I have farm comparable to my laners (which means I have to steal a lot of farm from my laners.) I shouldn't have to starve the rest of my team of gold (especially as a tank) to get an S.

idk i agree,i personally would have considered that "S-" worthy at the very least.

but liked i said becuase zac is so strong right now.. EVERYONE is getting good scores on him.. and becuase grades are % driven i found the exact % for each grade once but i cant find it right now..

what else did u need to do?. well you didn't purchase ANY item 2043 that and probably hurt your score a LOT.

even your green warding was quite a bit below average for your elo for zac players.. below even bronze zac

your minions and gold was almost exactly average for elo and game duration for zac and your gold was slightly below average for your elo and game duration.

again. i personally think you did great.. but your asking what you can improve on.. and according to the statistically i am seeing. the thing that will help you improve your score most is warding more, specifically pink wards

the fact that you didn't place ANY probably drastically hurt your score. and i have no idea if the game considers this.. but the enemy jungle was an Evelynn.. that fact you didn't buy any pink when SHE was your opponent is very sketchy.. and if the game does consider that.. that alone would kill an S in my book...

Randomonium1 votes

Good constructive feedback.

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