I fear for this generation

Randomonium··168 votes·6,401 views

I see so many threads that basically say "these players were so much more toxic than me/my friend/this streamer and yet they don't get banned!"

News flash: the ethical nature of your actions or anyone else's actions does not depend on the punishment (or lack thereof) of others. If you did something wrong and you got punished for it then you deserved it. Period. It doesn't matter if other people deserved it more. It doesn't matter if other people were WAAAYYY worse than you. If you do something wrong then you deserve to be held accountable for your actions. That's what being an ADULT is, taking responsibility for your actions.

Let's use a real world example. If you shoplift and get caught can you imagine how ridiculous you would sound if you said "thousands of murders go unsolved and unpunished every year, why am I being punished for shoplifting!"

Stop acting childish. Stop sticking up for people who deserve to be punished just because "others deserve to be punished more." Its a complete logical fallacy.

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Hullabaloo90743 votes

Its not just this generation. Look at Donald Trump. Or the internet as a whole.

KrugLyfe2 votes

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Axis the Dragon11 votes

Let's be honest, though - right now, American politics are a shitstorm and it's more than ever a vote for the shiniest turd lmao

cuddlykitten42 votes

By the power vested in me by this giant bald bird, the president shall not be the shiniest of two turds!

Nik Nikerson5 votes

I hope you realize it's possible to dislike both of them.

TwinkiePro6 votes

You're intolerant if you support trump. Ironic if you ask me.

KrugLyfe4 votes

^ people call him racist even though Black and Mexican people support him..funny

potatoplz2 votes

I don't keep up with politics so I don't know how racist he is/isn't or what he's actually said, but that is not a good mindset to have. It sounds a lot like the "I have a black friend so I'm not racist" argument, and well... l o l

KrugLyfe1 votes

Not really just saying that if he was racist why would we support him? Also https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4hq7ag/when_youre_sikh_and_tired_of_illegal_immigration/

SoryInAdvance8 votes

ffs. stop bringing trump into this stuff...everything he says is taken out of context or simply thrown in his mouth and the uneducated immediately go to start calling him racist and sexist but all he's ever said was that he wanted to keep illegal immigrants out..

Rakans Side Girl2 votes

You're actually right, but he's still an obnoxious prick.

SoryInAdvance5 votes

nothing gets accomplished by being a "yes man." you've got to speak your mind if you want to get things done.

Kürama2 votes

+1

Rakans Side Girl1 votes

Nothing gets accomplished by being antagonistic, either.

Kürama4 votes

He clearly accomplished his goal of being the Republican nominee and in November, President of the United States.

Rakans Side Girl1 votes

He isn't president yet.

Kürama1 votes

He will be on November 8th because the general election didn't come sooner.

Rakans Side Girl1 votes

Alrighty then.

Wintershere3 votes

{quoted}

Its not just this generation. Look at Donald Trump. Or the internet as a whole.

How can you possibly equate this to Donald Trump? I am no Trump fan but the victim mentality is not the mentality of the right in any way shape or form.

Chaotic Reks1 votes

How dare you speak against our overlord and emperor Trump http://i.imgur.com/qYGW2HH.jpg

Sarutobi12 votes

it is basically a childish mentality. Because X is worse, why cant i get away with Y. We see this all the time when people get pulled over by police. They always try to pull the line of: Don't you have real criminals to arrest" or something to that extent. When it doesnt matter how big or small the crime is you are still breaking the rules. You dont get away from your crimes just because someone else is doing a bigger crime. Or else by that logic the only people in prison would be rapist and murderers!

Just like in real life people will get away from doing bad things, or not get caught right away. it happens because nothing is perfect and there will never be a way to catch everyone. But at least with League we have ways to help clean up the community. What people dont seem to understand when talking about others getting away with toxic behavior is that majority of the time they arent typing in chat. If you vent in real life its not affecting league, nor the people you are playing with. So its not a problem. Then they also forget that these other streamers are almost always playing with friends/viewers so they obviously wont get reported unless its by the enemy team, but even then they would need to actually be breaking the rules.

Rico Nasty10 votes

Lmaoooo "This Generation" People have been treating each other like shit since cavemen were around. Don't act like it's anything different, you sound like a conservative 50-year-old man.

Spanked eGirl9 votes

Its human nature, we have a false sense of fairness especially in areas where its not applied. People fail to realize that Riot owns this game, makes this game, runs this game. You agree to their rules when you sign up. But people forget that in the name of their "rights" that they dont have on this platform.

lolptwo7 votes

That is a logical fallacy in itself your example. I think what people are more concerned about is this:

Person A is at a meeting and being insanely loud, obnoxious and offensive.

The person A says something so offensive in the meeting you stand up and call him a "worthless piece of shit"

You get kicked out of the meeting, Person A remains.

That's a better example. People aren't complaining about being punished for their own actions. It's literally watching people do the exact same thing or 10x worse and have NOTHING done to them. I've watched Tyler play and i'm in no way condoning his actions. However on the other side of the coin, I've seen multiple upon multiple of his games where people trolls/intentionally feed and are extremely toxic to him and no punishment was done on their account.

Riot's community is already rated the worst community of gamers in the world. Their system needs to represent better clarity and judgement for people to take it seriously.

Randomonium30 votes

Except that you've been warned about your behavior over 40 different times and Person A has never had a history of bad behavior. This guy has had 15 permabanned accounts. And I'm not just talking about him. Every thread in on this board about people getting permabanned is them whining that they weren't as bad as other people. Doesn't matter. Its not an excuse and its not a defense. Was what person A did wrong? Yes. Does that mean you shouldn't be punished just because person A wasn't punished. Hell no.

And honestly, if someone was being insanely loud, obnoxious and offensive I wouldn't call them a worthless piece of shit because I'd be stooping to their level. I'd ask them to be quiet politely and if they continued to be a pain I'd get security to remove them. That's how you're supposed to do it as an adult. You don't escalate the situation because it makes you just as bad as the person who started it. The only time escalation is warranted is if someone is in serious danger (i.e. someone getting raped and you kick the crap out of the guy to stop it.)

Whut Thuh 1 votes

So your saying that if i were to rob a store immediatly after someone else did and i got punished but the other person wasnt even chased by law enforcement because i had robbed several stores before that?

or how about if person A punched person B in the face and started a fight but Person B happened to win. should that person be arrested for assault and battery? or should the person who started it? i would say the first guy if not both of them

Twiggles6 votes

Think of it like this. Person A and Person B both get pulled over for speeding. They were both going 15 mph over the speed limit and had no legitimate reason to be speeding other than just being in a hurry.

Person A has never been pulled over before. Person B has previously had his license suspended for repeated speeding offenses.

Person A will likely be let off with a warning or perhaps a ticket. Person B will likely have his license revoked.

2ManyJons5 votes

"This Generation" comments usually come from people who are in my parents age range and refer to people who are my youngest brothers age (17). That means you're more than likely a sad little republican adult that has nothing better to do but come on the internet and try to talk down to kids.

So stop whining about the generation that you and your friends were too lazy/stupid/drunk to raise right (cause you didn't wanna be the hard ass drag that your parents were so you let them run rampant and have what ever they want so they can live free like you couldn't) and own up to your generations mistakes like an adult.

Randomonium2 votes

I'm 30 with no kids so that really doesn't apply. "This generation" applies to people 10-20 years younger than me. I'm just tired of self-entitled millennials who got coddled too much as kids and got rewarded for being brats.

Good point though, parents were way to lazy/stupid/drunk to raise their kids right. Hopefully my generation (the ones having kids right now) realizes the folly of the previous generation and actually raises kids right.

2ManyJons4 votes

Our generation isn't going to do any better because we live in a world where every other kid in existence is "self-entitled millennial who got coddled too much as kids and got rewarded for being brats." except for our own who are perfect and deserve everything in the world and no one better be mean to em or else.

Everyone who makes the whole "Entitlement" speech always ends up being the one at the parent teacher conference saying the teacher isn't doing their job, that's why their kid has bad marks. Then yells at the teacher when she claims he doesn't pay attention in class or study.

waterpixel5 votes

generation my ass, dont make it sound like its the biggest thing. this is a game, online, half of the toxicity in lol doesnt transfer to in real life. people are toxic because of their anonymity.

Snake Town5 votes

{quoted}

I fear for this generation

Yep. Because we're all the same, and Tyler1's fan base is representative of our entire generation.

Randomonium2 votes

Did you even read the post?

I see so many threads that basically say "these players were so much more toxic than me/my friend/this streamer and yet they don't get banned!"

Tyler1 is just ONE example of this. There are many, many more.

Snake Town5 votes

You're imposing the habits toxic players/fans of toxic players, who are sitting behind a computer screen, onto an entire generation of people. Also how self-important can you be to put yourself above an entire generation of people, I mean how arrogant.

Randomonium1 votes

Except its just not toxic players/fans of toxic players. Our entire society is self absorbed and doesn't take any responsibility for our actions. Our role models aren't people like Martin Luther King, they're reality TV stars. Let than one half of one percent of the population does any type of service to their country (military, red cross, mission work, etc.) Its not me putting myself over an entire generation, its pointing out how far we've fallen as a country and a people.

Take a look around and tell me how we're better than generations previous. What have we accomplished with all that we've been given?

Vekia6 votes

{quoted}

Except its just not toxic players/fans of toxic players. Our entire society is self absorbed and doesn't take any responsibility for our actions. Our role models aren't people like Martin Luther King, they're reality TV stars. Let than one half of one percent of the population does any type of service to their country (military, red cross, mission work, etc.) Its not me putting myself over an entire generation, its pointing out how far we've fallen as a country and a people.

Take a look around and tell me how we're better than generations previous. What have we accomplished with all that we've been given?

Hard to judge a generation that isn't even old enough to drink.

Snake Town2 votes

Less than half of one percent? Last year ~22% of men and ~28% of women did volunteer or service work. Teenagers actually on the high end of service work at 26.4%. As someone who frequently does volunteer work, I feel as though we live in two very different realities.

source:http://www.bls.gov/news.release/volun.nr0.htm

Randomonium1 votes

I said service, not volunteering. Service meaning something that you devote your life to. Its not a hobby, its what you do for you career. And if you look at the number of people who actually engage in SERVICE its about one half of one percent. Did you even read what you linked? The median hours served per year was 52. So those 22% of people spent, on average, 1 hour per week doing volunteer work. That means that on average our society devotes less than 15 minutes per week to helping other people. That's pretty disgusting for one of the most privileged countries in the world.

Snake Town3 votes

All right buddy, clearly nothing is going to convince you, have fun in your cynical lonely world.

nealgoogs4 votes

every generation is getting worse lmao 200 years ago you could get murdered or raped or put into slavery without getting into trouble were getting better stop with this generation bullshit we are getting better as a civilization shit just takes time

RiCaR12 votes

Now let's get another real life example. You go and steal a pair of sunglasses from a store and they catch you. Meanwhile someone kills a person. Should you both get 30 years in jail? You both did something wrong. This is your logic.

I've seen people get banned for being negative and seen people who wish cancer to other for no reason at all done nothing to. You clearly don't get what is fair and what is not. Why is the punishment the same for both when one just wasn't happy while other wished death to another player?

You can't see what is all behind this policy. It is as always in favor of biggest part of the community that brings more funds. You see the quality of gameplay has really decreased during last seasons. Now all blame it on the dynamic queue, but the reason is other - no one cares about how good you play anymore. See, a person can play like shit but you don't have to be good to buy skins. So, it is important to keep players happy, not to make them improve in order to bring money, meaning that no one should be able to tell them they can't properly, because this might make them sad and cause them to stop purchasing from the store. Now, we have this system that punishes everyone for every time someone is offended, which is basically every 2nd game, because people have become little crybabies that say everything they don't like is toxic. And people like you believe that this is for the greater good of this community :D:D:D. All is done because of the money, now stop telling people to be responsible or anything like that.

And ok, flamers get punished because with their words they make the experience of the other players in game worse, right? Yep, Leaver buster punishes people that get dc or leave, because while they are not there they make the experience worse for the other players, right? But, what about players that constantly play worse but still go to ranked and become big burden for their team members. I'm not talking about just a bad games, there are many players that just troll, play terrible but are always there to make game worse. Why aren't they punished? Aren't they making the game experience worse for their team members? The difference is that there are way too many of these players and if you start punishing all it can hurt the funds. But you can always go and punish the small amount of players that aren't happy with these people entering to ruin their games and call it for the greater good.

Anyways, I don't really believe that this will make you change your mind, you are probably too naive. :) Good luck.

Randomonium6 votes

I never said the severity of a punishment should be the same, just that both people should be punished. If you tell someone to "get cancer" then chances are you'll get elevated to a 14 day or permanent ban right away. Meanwhile, a lesser offense will get you a chat restriction. However, if you repeatedly offend, even if they are all minor, eventually you can work your way up to a permanent ban. This is no different than in real life. Show up to work late once and you will get a slap on the wrist, show up late to work 10 times and you will get fired. Blast your music at 2 am once and you'll get a warning from your landlord, do it every night for a week and you'll be evicted.

People don't get punished because people are offended, they get punished because they do something against the Terms of Use. We all agree to it every time a new patch comes out but I guarantee you less than 1% of the player base has ever taken the time to read it. It lays out pretty clearly what you can get banned for. To say that people get banned because of whiny crybabies is a cop out. You got banned because you violated a contract that you agreed to.

Players who play badly or who troll are punished by losing rating. Additionally, players who intentionally troll are punished if they consistently receive reports and there is evidence against them. But if it isn't intentional and the player is trying their hardest why would you punish them? They aren't INTENTIONALLY ruining another player's experience. That's the key word there. People who rage, troll, flame, AFK, etc are INTENTIONALLY ruining someone's experience. That is why it is punishable and just being bad is not.

Additionally, where do you draw the line if you start punishing people who play bad? Diamond players are bad compared to challenger level players so maybe we should just ban everyone who is diamond or below? Do you see how illogical it sounds when you put it that way? If you want to punish someone then you have to have a clearly defined line where you can tell people "if you cross this line you will be punished." No such line exists when assessing players skill and punishing people who are bad. That is why people aren't punished for playing bad. They will lose rating and eventually they will start playing with people who are of the same ability level as them and then no one will have a problem with how bad they play.

RiCaR11 votes

"Players that play bad are punished by losing rating", aren't players that play good losing rating when they lose too? This is not a punishment, this is result from a game. You can play well and still lose, maybe enemy comp was better, maybe you didn't get as much objectives, it happens. Players that play bad aren't punished at all. I'll tell you why this is such a big problem now. With dynamic queue you can have 2 really good players and 1 pretty bad one. These two are more than enough to carry him at a decent elo. Once he is their he will be matched with people according his mmr. But the problem is he can't actually play on the level that people who got there by themselves, so he starts to be a big burden for his entire team. Every game 4 other people should be forced to experience the negative consequences from the boost of a player that should be learning how to play first in normal and then climb his way to this elo by improving. Now, you'll say "he will drop eventually". Will, he? Maybe, but like kidney rocks he will decent painfully through the elo, leaving trail of frustration and negative experience for his teammates. He won't go to lose streak, because there might be players that could carry him after all in some games, which will make this even longer lasting.

"They will lose rating and eventually they will start playing with people who are of the same ability level as them and then no one will have a problem with how bad they play."

If it was several seasons ago this would work, but The real problem, though, is that there are too many of these players that don't belong to the elo they are in and with so many divisions can't be cleared and matchamaking can't be made good enough again. So, we now see many games where one of the teams easily snowballs the other.

There can be a report reason, as there was one before "Unskilled player" if you remember. If a certain player gets this too often and has bad stats most of the games, the system can either demote him or in cases where it is really needed, restrict him from playing ranked for a while.

I'll give you example from a game I had. One of my teammates picks Shaco as support in champ select. While he did this a player tells us that he had him in his last game and he trolled on purpose. In our game he indeed trolled again. He was wondering the map and laughing alll the time without doing anything. What do we get from this example. First of all, I can't report him for Afk as he was moving all the time, I can't report him for feeding as he was simply laughing, I can't report him for negative attitude as he said nothing in chat. For what valid reason from the given after the game should I report him, so he can get punished? Second of all, he has done this before and got no punishment which means this is not effective system. There is a need for more report reasons and punishment systems that are not focused entirely on chat.

Strawberrycocoa2 votes

You have no need of fear. The people who obsess over their behavior punishments in an online video game are not the people who will step up and make a change in the world with their careers and achievements.

Immortal spax1 votes

"this generation" comments are always funny to read, because after all, guess who raised us... Or you were too busy to take drugs to take care of your childs?

Btw, you are talking about ethics and shit. But the only reason why Riot choosed to ban him its because him became popular on twitch.

Randomonium1 votes

I'm 30 years old with no kids. So what were you saying?

I'm also not just talking about Tyler1. Take a look at ANY "I got banned" thread on these forums. Every single one of them is people just whining that they aren't bad as other people. And yes, Tyler1 did deserve his ban. If you don't believe that then you are delusional.

AramsAreBest3 votes

Your problem is that you go on the internet too much. You're basing everything you see on the internet. And seeing kids in different clothes or listening to different music than you does not make them wrong in any way.

Immortal spax2 votes

Why all this egocentrism? I was talking im general, the over 30> peole who criticize under 30 people for things that over 30 peole taught to them.

Did i say it was undeserved? I just said the real reason why he got banned, if he remained at 100 viewers on twitch, for sure he wasnt already banned.

Darkinlegend1 votes

You know what I find to be childish? All the thinned skinned wimps who play league who never learned how to not be offended by everything and take everything so personally. Heaven forbid we have another world ward. This generation will not carry us to victory.

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