Buff Vayne.

1 800 GGTOOEZ·Sep 8, 2015·187 votes·6,635 views

If you're not going to nerf her, at least buff her to pre-rework Kassadin level so I never have to see her past the ban phase again.

80 Comments

metaworldpeace10Sep 8, 201549 votes

Yeah I agree. Let's also buff her range to 700 because she needs to have a safer laning phase. Condemn isn't enough. plz

1 800 GGTOOEZSep 8, 201543 votes

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Yeah I agree. Let's also buff her range to 700 because she needs to have a safer laning phase. Condemn isn't enough. plz

How is she supposed to be able to trade with Caitlyn in lane if Caitlyn can poke her?

SpiritGearSep 9, 20155 votes

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How is she supposed to be able to trade with Caitlyn in lane if Caitlyn can poke her?

your right we also need to have her outrange Janna tornado because it makes her early game to weak so lets give it 1100 range

Rand0mH3r0XSep 9, 20152 votes

Riot already beat you. They nerfed Janna's range.

SpiritGearSep 10, 20151 votes

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Riot already beat you. They nerfed Janna's range.

technically they nerfed the base range the full ranges the same

Lux MagusSep 9, 20152 votes

When Caitlyn steps closer to you, play safe and tumble away! :D Just farm, farm, farm. Vayne is more late game anyways.

metaworldpeace10Sep 9, 20152 votes

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How is she supposed to be able to trade with Caitlyn in lane if Caitlyn can poke her?

Fuck you're right, better buff it up to 800 just to be safe. We can't have Caitlyn auto-attacking our precious Vayne now can we?

Rogue MasterSep 8, 20153 votes

i fine her laning fine if u hav a trusty blitz, tons of double kills 4 u.

CleverExpletiveSep 9, 201513 votes

You mean double kills for blitz, right?

MLDzXnRRRSep 8, 201524 votes

Give her permastealth on Q; after she ults, she gets bonus true dmg on basic attacks; reduce cd of Q; + free armor pen on W (many Vaynes don't buy Last Whisper at all - BT is better, right, they need a little help).

LICENSED HOOKERSep 8, 20154 votes

also make her w always true damage the person on the enemy team with the most kills.

Rogue MasterSep 8, 20153 votes

i like it bc we could have a garen vs vayne 1v1 epic passives item 3067

JohnJonesySep 8, 20159 votes

Vayne JUSTICE!!!

AquariusGineSep 8, 201519 votes

8% max hp true dmg 1st AA 16% 2nd 32% 3rd

Cuz we love our 3 AA's

MasterVidallisSep 8, 20157 votes

No. This:

Max hp true dmg 15% 1st 35% 2nd 50% 3rd

EasterGooseSep 8, 201512 votes

1st: 15% max hp true damage 2nd: 45% 3rd: 135%

Make it like Morde :D

LegacyDAPSep 9, 20152 votes

I thought it was already like this though

10% 1st AA

10% 2nd AA

80% 3rd AA

This is obviously much more balanced and will provide counterplay to Vayne's W, all you have to do is not get hit the 3rd time.

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Actually xPekeSep 10, 20151 votes

yes shes slow as heck with her rick roll on a 2second cooldown and a race car passive that uses a super booster when ulting

lets not forget that almost nobody builds BOTRK on her so shes even slower

Ultra AnimalSep 9, 20151 votes

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8% max hp true dmg 1st AA 16% 2nd 32% 3rd

Cuz we love our 3 AA's

I almost took this seriously, then I saw every other comment.

CrettSep 8, 201512 votes

What about us people who play in team builder?

And thus, the treaty was made; all Team Builder hosts vowed from that day forward never to accept a Vayne into their room again

ZylotheWolfbaneSep 10, 20153 votes

Why can't we make that vow now? Please? Seriously, every goddamn Teambuilder match I play has a Vayne. On my side, she is almost always bad, on their side, she is almost always good. On the off chance she's not good on their side, if someone on their side gets fed, it stops mattering, because Vayne doesn't even need to get ahead to win a match. If she stays even in farm she'll still end up winning the game half the time.

CrettSep 10, 20151 votes

I actually don't accept Vaynes already

Pentarina OnlySep 8, 20157 votes

Agreed. Lower cd on her E, and a true damage increase on her W would be nice.

disregardableSep 8, 20158 votes

Mana. Lower the mana on E. Use 2 or 3 Es and you're pretty much oom. The reason you never see Vayne's go oom is they save the E is for all ins. I'm rarely actually good enough to all in people, but if I could condemn a few times in laning I'd auto-win lane.

Also, let her return to stealth if she stops atttacking during her ultimate.

grumpyfrogySep 8, 20156 votes

srry too much room Darius Skarner Garen Mordekaiser Fiora Gangplank

1 800 GGTOOEZSep 8, 20154 votes

Bump

RockaltarSep 8, 20154 votes

seems like the only thing riot knows how to do either buff to the skys or nerf to the ground and make them completely useless..

CasterGilgameshSep 8, 20156 votes

Veigar Kassadin Sona Evelynn

Leu07Sep 9, 20156 votes

throw a Cassiopeia there.

TaarkiSep 9, 20156 votes

Olaf ?

FF TO JOIN lSLAMSep 9, 20151 votes

Season 1 TwistedFate tho

WestonbirtSep 9, 20151 votes

item 3070 Urgot

MegamanEXE79Sep 9, 20151 votes

Exactly. So buff vayne for a few patches, and let the cycle of life and death continue.

One day, they will gut her, and her fanbase will go with it until they find the next FoTM

RockaltarSep 9, 20151 votes

when people say vayne is balanced......

Tails DollSep 8, 20153 votes

Every Q silence the enemy by 2.5 seconds. Boom.

CaythelesSep 8, 20153 votes

Give her her ult at lvl 1. Boom. Balanced

JefftiffySep 8, 20152 votes

Sad thing is people just didn't know how to handle pre-rework Kassadin. He was much like most assassins back then with silences except when they took it away he was pretty damn well balanced people just didn't seem to understand you had to play a lot safer and call his mias immediately. And also not feed him.

Tails DollSep 8, 201525 votes

You have no idea how strong Kass was.

My Waifu VanillaSep 8, 201535 votes

People complained about gp being disabled for a week? Kass was disabled in draft pick for two YEARS.

DeathToHereticsSep 9, 20158 votes

I still find it hard to believe, thinking back to that time, that it wasn't even questioned. Kassadin was insta-ban, or auto-win/loss depending on who was blue side. Even in the LCS, 14/15 times Kass decided what team would win.

And everyone complained about it, but it was just so natural that the meta was ban Kassawin. It was natural. As natural as assassin meta, bruiser meta, carry-jungle meta, people complained but it still happened.

Terra BoomaSep 9, 20151 votes

As someone who started playing mid season 3. It got to the point where most people didn't know how to play him. Why bother in blind since he was always gone in draft. I didn't know why he was permaban, but I'll be dammed if i let him through

1 800 GGTOOEZSep 8, 20154 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tails Doll,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hW1VlJF4,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2015-09-08T18:27:27.959+0000)

You have no idea how strong Kass was.

Well, considering I have been playing since season 1, I think I have a bit of knowledge about pre-rework Kassadin.

FF TO JOIN lSLAMSep 9, 20154 votes

he wasn't talking to you lol

SVangSep 9, 20152 votes

lol i love to play vayne but she doesn't need a buff, she's op already, imo

ArkantasaSep 10, 20152 votes

best. post. ever.

why don't u just make her passive add AS too? like you know she get 90ms when moving towards enemies with her ult? make it so she'll get +90AS too. boom. balanced af. oh and allow her to stack borks. so she can buy 6. or 7. yeah, add another slot. because our precious vayne needs more item slots. OH I KNOW. JUST LET HER STEAL HER ENEMIES ITEMS WHILE UR AT IT. your enemy bought a b.f sword? not anymore! vayne landed 3 shots that enemy - STOLEN! ha.

i do, in all honesty, love playing vayne tho LOL. I couldn't play her properly at first but then i was like oh this sucker is hugging that wall? LMFAO E's > PENTAKILLLLLLLLL the joy. the fact that people are doing bad with vayne proves that she does have weaknesses. and I guess that she's essential if you're facing 3 tanks, else it's really difficult to take them down.... meh. who knows. LOOL

RikariSep 9, 20151 votes

she doesn't need a buff,she needs..."compensation" for all the armor/ad/health items and the juggernaut releases.

CasterGilgameshSep 10, 20152 votes

you mean Veigar level "compensation"?

DragoonRuinSep 10, 20151 votes

Make her Condemn an On Hit Passive, along with her Silver Bolts, so that item 3085 can proc them both on all 3 targets. Perfectly balanced.

ThunderThighs10Sep 10, 20151 votes

I feel like half of these comments are serious and half of them are sarcasm and yet nobody really can tell the difference. Vayne in all honestly is the strongest ADC at this given time. She dosen't need a buff. Hell buff the lower ones like lucian, corki, and twitch.

RockaltarSep 13, 20151 votes

but all 3 of those are op to