That should be doing more than any skillshot.
You have to actively aim a skillshot, and land it. That has adequate counterplay, and should be rewarded much much much more than any point and click ability in this game.
Point and click should be removed from the game at this point. Especially if you are going to keep damage this stupidly high.
Jimmy Rustles10 votesYea auto attacks need to be nerfed
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hNU1BHy2,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-04-20T00:45:45.492+0000)
Yea auto attacks need to be nerfed
Auto attacks are different because they require 3 items to be good and don’t apply and kind of meaningful cc.
Chembaron Yamada3 votesdon't apply and kind of meaningful CC.
Sure about that, buddy?
Jokes aside, I think there actually are point&click abilities which have a place in the game.
Her ult being a skillshot would be weird. Also how do you count her Q? Technically, it still is an auto attack?
Point&click knockup, but it is best utilised in combo with his Q, which is a skillshot.
Point&click fling. He desperately needs this skill for his kit to function, since he is leaving his damaging trail behind himself. He needs a reliable way to force you into it.
You have to look at the whole kit to know if a skill should be allowed to be point&click or should become a skillshot.
LordGeovanni1 votesI agree with singed if he didnt get free movement speed from his Passive for every single champion he runs past. His old passive was far more fair. His Ult movement speed is eaiser to swallow being (slightly ) windowed
afmghost2 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hNU1BHy2,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-04-20T00:56:48.313+0000)
Auto attacks are different because they require 3 items to be good and don’t apply and kind of meaningful cc.
HAMMER DOWN
Jamaree3 votesI agree.
Edge of Daybreak3 votesGot it! Im guessing there is little thought put into this as under your rule all point and click abilities deal 0 damage and can never cc . As we have 0 damage skillshots and well we have skillshots with no cc.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Edge of Daybreak,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hNU1BHy2,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-20T00:41:34.860+0000)
Got it! Im guessing there is little thought put into this as under your rule all point and click abilities deal 0 damage and can never cc . As we have 0 damage skillshots and well we have skillshots with no cc.
Who said 0 mr exaggerater. If a point and click does only damage. It should not ever do more damage than a skillshot that does only damage.
If a point and click has hard cc (which should NEVER FUCKING HAPPEN) then it should never be longer or better than a skillshot.
Chembaron Yamada2 votesIf a point and click has hard cc (which should NEVER FUCKING HAPPEN)
Disagreed.
This is an example and a strong one for my argument in my opinion. This guy desperately needs his point&click fling on E to have a realiable way to force enemies into his poison trail. Otherwise, avoiding his damage, especially in the early game, becomes way too easy.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Chembaron Yamada,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hNU1BHy2,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-04-20T01:07:36.822+0000)
Disagreed.
If having adequate counterplay makes something weak, it’s a failure by design.
Plat HardstuckXD1 votesA bronze 2 player thinking he knows anything about game design OmegaLUL
Edge of Daybreak2 votesYou did. Any= all. This is why we think before we post. Did you know xerath can cc you for .5 seconds and it does damage. therefore no point and click can have over .5 seconds
Like 5 seconds of thought is all it takes to make your entire premise hilariously bad. Anivia wall does 1 damage and cc's
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Edge of Daybreak,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hNU1BHy2,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-04-20T01:09:21.695+0000)
You did. Any= all. This is why we think before we post. Did you know xerath can cc you for .5 seconds and it does damage. therefore no point and click can have over .5 seconds
Like 5 seconds of thought is all it takes to make your entire premise hilariously bad. Anivia wall does 1 damage and cc's
This post has one instance of the word “any” being that any skillshot should be rewarded more than a point and click. And I think that’s true.
afmghost1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hNU1BHy2,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-04-20T00:56:17.732+0000)
If a point and click has hard cc (which should NEVER FUCKING HAPPEN) then it should never be longer or better than a skillshot.
You have never played support have you? Many support kits are all about cc. Before I left, I loved support Lulu. She had 3 point and clicks, 2 of which were cc. Now she didn't do much damage, but the cc, utility, and buffs under her belt made her a force to be reckoned with when paired alongside a carry or bruiser. Is she busted? No, she's a support. She is boosting an Ally's power without contributing her own.
The thigh guy1 votesYou have never played support have you? Many support kits are all about cc. Before I left, I loved support Lulu. She had 3 point and clicks, 2 of which were cc. Now she didn't do much damage, but the cc, utility, and buffs under her belt made her a force to be reckoned with when paired alongside a carry or bruiser. Is she busted? No, she's a support. She is boosting an Ally's power without contributing her own.
You litteraly made no actual argument here.
afmghost1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hNU1BHy2,comment-id=0001000000020000,timestamp=2019-04-20T07:38:25.316+0000)
You litteraly made no actual argument here.
My point is that supports have point and click CC but they do little damage. Are you gonna rob them of that?
Alzon2 votes 
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Sir Saltarin2 votesPeak Gameplay Boards
ZephyrDrake1 votesOk... then let's make all skillshots be like ezreal's or morgana's where people whine and complain even though they got hit by a skillshot. Every champion is balanced differently. Comparing random skillshots to random point and click abilities does very little since you aren't taking into account the rest of that champions kit in the slightest
The thigh guy3 votesOk... then let's make all skillshots be like ezreal's or morgana's where people whine and complain even though they got hit by a skillshot. Every champion is balanced differently. Comparing random skillshots to random point and click abilities does very little since you aren't taking into account the rest of that champions kit in the slightest
Nice gaslighting.
ZephyrDrake3 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hNU1BHy2,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-04-20T01:17:55.307+0000)
Nice gaslighting.
Nice terrible thread. That gets debunked instantly and then all you have left is pity attempts at witty comments
Infernape2 votesMost of the complaints with Morgana's Q is its quite frankly ridiculous hitbox (even though the champion has been rebuilt from scratch visually). There's been times where I've been hit by it while I was behind a minion and there's been times where I've hit it even though I clearly missed.
LordGeovanni1 votesPeople wine and complain because morg's q is super fast on top of being 3 -5 times the strength of most other non ult skill shots and having a 3 second root.
ZephyrDrake1 votesPeople wine and complain because morg's q is super fast on top of being 3 -5 times the strength of most other non ult skill shots and having a 3 second root.
Super fast... one of the slowest projectiles in the game "super fast"... ok dude whatever you say.
LordGeovanni1 votesone of the slowest mach 5 abilites is still fucking fast
Tham Chundi1 voteshmmmm sounds true but its not
q and r more dmg than e
q more dmg than r
q more dmg than auto
afmghost1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hNU1BHy2,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-20T00:37:08.869+0000)
That should be doing more than any skillshot.
You have to actively aim a skillshot, and land it. That has adequate counterplay, and should be rewarded much much much more than any point and click ability in this game.
Point and click should be removed from the game at this point. Especially if you are going to keep damage this stupidly high.
Yeah, because dodging is the only way you can counter anything. There is no such thing as armor, resistance, tenacity, spell shields, or crowd control.
Also, how would a skillshot work on a melee champion? Especially when they have to move into melee range to cast anyway?
The thigh guy1 votesYeah, because dodging is the only way you can counter anything. There is no such thing as armor, resistance, tenacity, spell shields, or crowd control.
Also, how would a skillshot work on a melee champion? Especially when they have to move into melee range to cast anyway?
Darius q. Garen e. Zed q. Talon w.
Tons of examples of melee with skillshots.
Chembaron Yamada5 votesWait.... you consider Garen's spin a skillshot? Really?
afmghost1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hNU1BHy2,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-04-20T07:37:53.016+0000)
Darius q. Garen e. Zed q. Talon w.
Tons of examples of melee with skillshots.
I don't remember zed or talon, but Darius Q and Garen E are aoe attacks that surround the champion. There's no actual aiming at all. I mean you might as well add Karthus E to the mix
LordGeovanni1 votesmost skillshots have such fast animations with low cooldowns they have no business being high damage either espeically super long range ones. Xerath's Q Ezreal's q and w Caitlyns Q and E.