Mages Need Items To Deal With Tanks

TheySeeMeWardin·Mar 8, 2016·7 votes·1,752 views

I know we are shifting towards a new meta and tanks aren't necessarily OP but I think that bruisers or even assassins that build tanky ( & ) or tanks with one or two offensive items ( ahem... with ) are getting to the point where they can take ridiculous amounts of damage and dish out the same amounts. As someone who mains bursty mages, I know I'm biased, it seems that there are no ways to really counter these two/three unconventional juggernaut team comps. I think there should be items that help mages go toe to toe with these new builds that we're seeing. Before you say that tanks are suppose to counter mages, they're not suppose to be able to one shot them either. I'm okay with only being able to kill the squishies but when there are no squishy enemy champs... that's where we have a problem.

19 Comments

ViashinoWizardMar 8, 20165 votes

item 3151 item 3135

Mtvn281Mar 8, 20162 votes

item 3001 item 3020

TheySeeMeWardinMar 8, 20161 votes

item 3151 just feels like a terrible version of Brands passive and item 3135 is only really good for magic pen. and even Liandry's does it better.

Void NargacugaMar 8, 20163 votes

If your opponent has TONS of MR item 3135 does amazing work against them. Wanna know why? It has % penetration. Which if the opponent has TONS of MR is WAY better then flat penetration.

Flat Penetration for low Armor/MR.

% Penetration for high Armor/MR.

Big LincolnMar 8, 20165 votes

burst mages aren't supposed to do well vs tanks, and if you're full-glass I don't see why they wouldn't hurt you with their base damage either

you need to pick a mage with strong DPS Cassiopeia , a lot of % damage Malzahar (even better with Liandry's) or someone who's burst gets so ridiculous they can punch through megatanks Veigar Veigar

Mages that can afford to build tanky items like ROA, Abyssal, and other stuff also work pretty well vs them

RalanrMar 8, 20163 votes

You main bursty mages. Tanks counter burst.

BluePolarizerMar 8, 20163 votes

random mages aren't supposed to burst tanks. you have to pick for it. I've never heard of Karthus Kayle Azir Cassiopeia not being able to melt tanks. If you refuse to use the tools given to you, you're not trying.

Mtvn281Mar 8, 20162 votes

dont forget Malzahar

Void NargacugaMar 8, 20162 votes

Oh yeah you can't forget the king of: http://www.quickmeme.com/img/9c/9c0277b95f2b39f0fc793cb23409b4b37fc50bf119e96cb93e222a5a4da74f37.jpg

Newbib21Sep 30, 20171 votes

And if you can't pick your champion like in ARAM? What's a team of mages supposed to do against 5 3k+ health tanks?

KaxiMar 8, 20162 votes

Yeah, they probably just need some fancy mask or something to cover up the tears they have about not being able to deal % damage...

OH! I FOUND A PICTURE OF A CUTE MASK! You should send a ticket to Riot right away about this!

item 3151

HeIen KeIIerMar 8, 20162 votes

I kinda feel like Riot is making AD champions stronger than AP, but I may be wrong.

They have made item 3035 HALF as expensive, so any AD can start shredding almost as soon as the laning phase is over. THEN, they can upgrade to item 3036 and item 3033 to get TEN more armor pen. Also, there are more combinations of AD and armor pen like item 3147 , item 3156 , item 3071 , and item 3142 . Obviously, a large variety of options including armor penetration, AD, and other stats.

Then we have Magic pen. item 3001 is only useful for short range AP Champs ( Fizz Diana Katarina ), against heavy AP teams. Then we have item 3151 which is only useful for burn-based champs. And then, item 3135 which is standard for AP carries. If you aren't close range and against AP, or you don't have a burn effect, you really only have a single option .

Basically I think we need more MAaic Pen items to compliment the large variety of AP Champions.

HeIen KeIIer out-

Void NargacugaMar 8, 20161 votes

item 3035 and its upgrades only has % Armor penetration. Which is great... Against high armor targets and nearly useless against low armor targets.

MalhammersMar 8, 20161 votes

The reason why tank akali is a thing now is because she can get in your face, force you to attack her, then suddenly go invisible, while the rest of your team womps on them without taking any damage. There is no fix to this...there will just be an Akali nerf in the near future as she was not meant to be played like this.

JorenciceMar 8, 20161 votes

So mages should be able to 1 shot squishys and 2 shot tanks?

Where's the counterplay?

SwiftKitten88Mar 8, 20161 votes

i agree but i also think it shouldn't buff our damage vs squishies like DFG did, we do kind of have item 3135 which is good vs tanks i think maybe a buff to item 3151 ?

maybe make it somehow similar to item 3147

AkeneroMar 8, 20161 votes

Basically the best counter to these tanks is constant damage output Try Cassiopeia She's reeeeeeeeeaaaaally good at it

Sahn UzalMar 8, 20161 votes

Allthough I agree on the fact that mages could use some love.... People should realise that defensive stats are combat stats aswell! There is nothing wrong with the fact that a tank can beef it out with ADC's if they don't build items that counter tanks like item 3036 (That item is so broken btw) Also, item 3001 item 3025 item 3068 item 3742 These are offensive items, don't say WTF THEIR item 3027 Nautilus is capable of kiling me KJASDFL;KJSAFDLSF O, and CDR is also an offensive stat. It allows you to get the base damage on your abilities off more frequently. = offense. summoner 31