What is Core to Janna’s Model?

TheySeeMeWardin·Nov 15, 2018·34 votes·17,301 views

Currently, when I think of what makes Janna unique visually, I have three things in mind: hair, staff, tassels.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2sdh_m_VV5U/VO4yKDhNJ-I/AAAAAAAABtw/JKlvF7q91Ic/s1600/jannaturn.jpg

Hair - Almost all of her skins and her base show her with very wild hair. I think it fits currently with her now being a wind spirit but it is very stiff and doesn’t flow as much as it should IMO. Still I think this is Janna’s claim to fame and what sets her apart from every other female champ (I guess except Zoe). I do wish she had some of that flow tech that they used with AS and Cass to Janna’s hair.

Staff - Her staff is an odd accessory, visually. It’s VERY stiff and contrasts to her flowy appearance IMO. None of her skins keep her staff the same and it doesn’t seem to have a real attachment to Janna as a character. Not every piece of a champion needs to be unique and core to them, but I’d like see an improvement eventually.

Tassels - It’s so small yet so pleasing to see tassels flow along her side when she “walks”. It definitely adds to the windy affect and I only wish it would be enhanced to actually move like I was saying about her hair.

I didn’t want this to turn into a “Please Update Janna” post. These are just things I think are core to her and if changes to her model were to happen I’d like them to stay / be improved on.

Again I realize SOOOOOOOO many more champs are in need of visual changes more than Janna but his is just to set up dialog so when the day comes RIOT has requests from the community.

60 Comments

mrmeddymanNov 15, 201829 votes

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/005/957/851/large/thomas-randby-janna2.jpg?1494988425)[/img]

This is pretty much perfect addresses all those concerns and brings her into the modern era

TheySeeMeWardinNov 15, 20182 votes

So is this what you would like to see? I can’t lie, I do like the fade effect.

TerozuNov 16, 20181 votes

No the fade effect is just because it's concept art for her upcoming VU.

MaevelleNov 16, 20185 votes

That's not a concept of an upcoming VU. It's just concept style art (fan art) that Riot Hylia made.

TerozuNov 16, 20181 votes

50% sure it's from this year and was minor exploration for a future VU but not at all confirmed for the near future.

In that sense upcoming might've been poor word choice.

SukishooNov 16, 20181 votes

It's from 2017 actually and as they said was more or less fan art, https://twitter.com/faeriefountain/status/820817855537090560 as Riot doesn't release concept art for what they are working on until said project has been released.

TerozuNov 16, 20181 votes

That last part isn't true, it's not common but they do release concept art from time to time, it's just very rare due to the As Shin Fiasco, for example Ezreal's teasers.

We know Janna is at least mid their VU level, and the creator of this image is a concept artist for Riot, this image is concept art for a Janna VU, even if it's just minor exploration.

SukishooNov 16, 20181 votes

Actually, it is. Ao Shin is a prime example of why they don't release concepts on projects till after everything is set in stone. With the recent release of skin events like K/DA, you can find several of the concepts on Artstation now but you wouldn't have seen that befiore they were actually public.

By Ezreal teaser, I'm guessing you mean the Animated commercials? which were very subtle hints at his appearance (which wasn't much change, more so showing the gauntlet change).

So Janna, as well as other things he has on his Twitter or Artstation like Lux, Caitlyn and various concepts aren't official Riot work unless it says otherwise on it.

MaevelleNov 16, 20182 votes

Yeah, Ao shin was a concept they showed off to the community that was in early stages but went horribly wrong on their end (I believe it was cause of the tech at the time) so they had to shelve it. They returned to it later, with A. Sol, as they had promised a dragon type champion for some time. But they said they would hold off showing the community concepts like that again.

SukishooNov 16, 201812 votes

I think she's still fairly modern, considering what she used to look like on release

http://orig04.deviantart.net/5f8c/f/2014/149/b/0/janna_old_by_aaa_nymphea-d7kaju0.jpg

TheySeeMeWardinNov 16, 20183 votes

Are you saying you didn’t like banshee Janna?

SukishooNov 16, 20183 votes

Need it as a skin to NEVER FORGET XD

rtbf225618241Nov 16, 20185 votes

Except her face which has such a "thot" vibe to me.

We have enough vanity in League already.

Sexy Jack RabbitNov 16, 20184 votes

It's just the case with RiotHylias style All the faces he draws are the same

rtbf225618241Nov 16, 20181 votes

Well, Riot is quite fond of jerkface characters with a personality to match recently.

I'm just saying..

ArakadiaNov 16, 20181 votes

My only criticism of that wonderful art is that it doesn't help to tie her to Piltover or Zaun anymore than she already is (visually).

Jack GarrusNov 16, 20182 votes

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https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/005/957/851/large/thomas-randby-janna2.jpg?1494988425)[/img]

This is pretty much perfect addresses all those concerns and brings her into the modern era

I want this so bad

OniZetsu666Nov 15, 201813 votes

Zilean Is in the same boat in terms of the ice cream stiff hair.

TheySeeMeWardinNov 15, 20182 votes

Oh wow, you right. Was this a style back then or did early RIOT just have a hard time with animating hair?

TerozuNov 16, 20183 votes

Hair tech in general was pretty bad in 2009.

OniZetsu666Nov 16, 20181 votes

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Oh wow, you right. Was this a style back then or did early RIOT just have a hard time with animating hair?

yeah animation for hair was not easy and both are old champs that need either a visual rework or a full rework.

AlzonNov 15, 20185 votes

He gels it. Gotta keep the groove, yo.

SEKAINov 16, 20187 votes

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Is in the same boat in terms of the ice cream stiff hair.

His hair is just frozen in time.

Ozzie StormNov 16, 20181 votes

wrong time to have bad hair day i guess xP

Jerry SeinfeIdNov 15, 201810 votes

tiddies.

TheySeeMeWardinNov 15, 20185 votes

So do you think she should wear little clothing like she does now or does it matter as long as there’s a cut in the outfit for cleavage?

Chub RubNov 16, 20182 votes

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So do you think she should wear little clothing like she does now or does it matter as long as there’s a cut in the outfit for cleavage?

Totally keep the little clothing. It's core to her character imo

Jerry SeinfeIdNov 16, 20183 votes

Haha, was meant as a joke. clearly went over 3 people's heads. But yeah, i think she should wear as little clothing as she does now. It's kinda part of her design at this point, there's tons of things that could be added though. there should be a whole bunch of loose cloth imo, to put more focus on her wind theme.

Aside from that she's a wind spirit/goddes (yes i'm aware she's never called a goddess but ffs she's worshipped) and i think her clothing kinda fits the whole thing. When looking at alot of old religious art, nudity is prevalent.

TheySeeMeWardinNov 16, 20181 votes

No, I got the joke. But it did bring up an interesting question about her clothing so thanks for the input!

General MattyNov 16, 20181 votes

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tiddies.

Preach it

KestrelGirlNov 16, 20183 votes

Honestly I'd rather that she have shorter but still messy hair. I think it suits her better since she's now an ocean/wind spirit who's adapted to Zaun. I did some doodles of a possible redesign with that in mind... Might share.

TheySeeMeWardinNov 16, 20182 votes

That’s so cool! I’d appreciate if you did. Leave a link if you make your own post.

SukishooNov 16, 20181 votes

ocean spirit

Just...what...

KestrelGirlNov 16, 20181 votes

wind spirit, but borne of the sea, both in a sense

FullmetallicNov 16, 20183 votes

Just monika

OleandervineNov 16, 20183 votes

She definitely needs an Ezreal level VGU, because her current model is just atrocious, and the rigging is dated as hell. She was updated when Kayle originally was, so if Kayle can get a VGU, Janna can too. Plus, she's pretty popular, and her kit's in mostly good condition (except the passive and her bland W), so I think she's a prime candidate for something like Ezreal got.

As for what's core to her, I agree her hair is important, but I disagree with what you said about her staff. It's pretty critical to her, as it's the focus of her magic, and many of her skins utilize it in creatively necessary ways, like the sword in her Sacred Sword skin, her magic staff in her Star Guardian skin, and the broom in her new Bewitching skin. I think the tassels on her are somewhat negotiable, but I would like to see them stay and definitely behave according to physics.

PaletongueNov 15, 20182 votes

Please Update Janna

TheySeeMeWardinNov 16, 20181 votes

What do you want updated? My personal complaint would be the hair mostly, I could live if the other things were not addressed.

rtbf225618241Nov 16, 20182 votes

Her staff is definetly the most outdated part here. Not to mention how it behaves in motion. Especially when she puts it on the ground during emoting and it shakes in the ground, moving around.

Mossy LungsNov 16, 20182 votes

I'd say remove the staff altogether, and make Zephyr her W companion be more fleshed out, and have her just cast from her hands or through Zephyr maybe.

TheySeeMeWardinNov 16, 20181 votes

I really love the idea of expanding on zephyr, especially since she is wind spirit that sometimes take form in a blue bird with the new lore update. I don’t know how I feel about removing the staff though. I didn’t talk about it in the post but I think an iconic thing about Janna’s model is that her shape very tall and slim and her staff adds to that. It could improve her identity of it were removed but I’d definitely feel like something would be lost in the process. Who knows, maybe it would be for the best.

Mossy LungsNov 16, 20181 votes

My main thought process for removing it is it has zero need to exist based on lore and the fact she doesn't use it except to aa and possibly ult? Plus so many female magic champions using staffs just feels generic to a degree...

Ionian VulpixNov 16, 20182 votes

One of the more important things about her to me is her constant floating. Like, no matter what update she gets, she should continue to fly.

ZaFishboneNov 16, 20182 votes

The fact that she floats. And her pose while doing it.

Breezy BoyyNov 16, 20182 votes

Something I think that's core to her model, and also her thematic, is her "Elf aesthetic" or just plainly, her pointed ears.

Tempest JannaNov 16, 20182 votes

Hey, I like your input and I do agree she's in need for a VGU. My biggest concern is her staff, perhaps an interaction with her abilities would improve this.

OleandervineNov 16, 20181 votes

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Hey, I like your input and I do agree she's in need for a VGU. My biggest concern is her staff, perhaps an interaction with her abilities would improve this.

Like what though? Her pointing with her staff and directing Zephyr to attack? She already uses her staff in her ultimate. Besides, it's a weapon, a magical one at that, a lot of champions don't have direct interactions with their weapons other than AAs.

GogounNov 16, 20181 votes

I say we should be able to say she's from Zaun one way or another. Her style is so blank, she has nothing catching the eye really.

ElipoNov 17, 20181 votes

floating nudity and skinnyness

FlameHalbrdOkidoNov 17, 20181 votes

I think her hair is important, as are the tassles (movement sake, not for much else tho), the staff is less important, but its interesting to see how its used in other skins. I could see them doing something like turning it into visible a column of wind, or giving it a "Pyke weapon animated overlay effect"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=galJIDvQbSc

this guy has some interesting points, such as making her initially appear as a floating collection of ribbons that where she is faintly visible underneath them, and activating abilities makes her appear more apparent taking inspiration from her lore