Why Ekko will Always build tank, Only solution:

Nekusen·May 8, 2016·1 votes·863 views

Builds tank because his kit is designed that way, independently of his scaling. He is not an assassin because he lacks the burst and hard-to-dodge/point-and-click spells main sources of damage that actual assassins have (his Q-W-R are probably the easiest to dodge spells in the game) Counterbalancing that, his passive and W passive are his reliable sources of damage, which require extended battles at melee range. So ye, it's not a matter of stats, it's a matter of his kit, which will make him always worse as pure damage.

Only Solution: The only way i see him actually becoming an assassin, is if they increase by a whole bunch his Q speed, decreased W delay and make R targettable. With him having reliable sources of damage, they could tweak his scaling and balancing him as an assassin if thats what they want.

8 Comments

IgotlazyMay 8, 20162 votes

Making R Targettable = Throwing out thematic of ability. Would prefer not thank you.

Stick In MuddMay 8, 20162 votes

Riot just fucked up with understanding Ecko. They thought he was a mage, but the guy is clearly a tank. I think Riot is doing the right thing by making him stay a tank. I wouldn't be surprised if they come out later and change him to an actual tank in description and stat wise, and then alter his kit slightly to make it geared towards top lane sustain. Remove the slow/MS from his passive and put in a heal instead.

Play to his strengths, rather than buffing his weaknesses. Riot just didn't know this champion well enough before release.

NekusenMay 8, 20161 votes

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Riot just fucked up with understanding Ecko. They thought he was a mage, but the guy is clearly a tank. I think Riot is doing the right thing by making him stay a tank. I wouldn't be surprised if they come out later and change him to an actual tank in description and stat wise, and then alter his kit slightly to make it geared towards top lane sustain. Remove the slow/MS from his passive and put in a heal instead.

Play to his strengths, rather than buffing his weaknesses. Riot just didn't know this champion well enough before release.

I agree with this, everything in his design just screams "tank"

BluePolarizerMay 8, 20161 votes

Also, his Q is only easily hittable at point blank range, and you have to dive into the enemy team to use W effectively. If you aren't tank you get blown up in both of these situations.

NekusenMay 8, 20161 votes

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Also, his Q is only easily hittable at point blank range, and you have to dive into the enemy team to use W effectively. If you aren't tank you get blown up in both of these situations.

Exactly, only while in melee range which reinforced his need of building tank as his burst won't deal much.

It isn't really that they are "hard to land" the real issue is they are extremely easy to dodge.

ErockandrollMay 8, 20161 votes

The way I see it. His Q should be way more reliant on AP for damage. So That Ekko would have to focus AP to simply Wave clear. Many AP Assassins like Ahri or Le'blanc need that wave clear. You would think that Ekko could fit into a similar mold.

The only potential problem would be Completely ignoring the need for his spells to actually get that wave clear. And that would suggest that Tank Ekko is broke, because his items are broke. (Sunfire, ICB)

If the nerfs to his base damages haven't cut it at this point, then it would suggest that damage isn't the problem. (At least coming from his kit.)

NekusenMay 8, 20161 votes

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The way I see it. His Q should be way more reliant on AP for damage. So That Ekko would have to focus AP to simply Wave clear.

as i said, its not a problem of numbers, its about how reliable his sources of damage are, Q is unreliable as a source of damage, passive and W passive are reliable, so thats it.

Many AP Assassins like Ahri or Le'blanc need that wave clear. You would think that Ekko could fit into a similar mold.

you are not considering both Ahri and Leblanc are both ranged, while Ekko is melee, which is already a huge advantage when farming. also, calling Ekko an assassin is a mistake, as said, he lacks the kit and the burst to be one.

The only potential problem would be Completely ignoring the need for his spells to actually get that wave clear. And that would suggest that Tank Ekko is broke, because his items are broke. (Sunfire, ICB)

Sunfire is a waveclear item, is he already has good waveclear then it does little for him.

If the nerfs to his base damages haven't cut it at this point, then it would suggest that damage isn't the problem. (At least coming from his kit.)

I agree, his stats and scaling are not even a factor here, the issue is he is designed (willingly or not) to be a tank as his skills are unreliable, while actual assassins have mostly easy to land spells or even point and click.

BluePolarizerMay 8, 20161 votes

that's the whole point. You can make his Q scale with 200% AP or something, and I'd bet that a tank or off-tank with 1-2 AP items build will still be better than full AP, just due to how risky being glass with Ekko is.