Just because Jinx doesn't have a true escape...

Slamurai Jack·Mar 28, 2015·7 votes·1,565 views

Champion.gg - Jinx ADC Stats, Builds, Runes, Masteries and Counters

Doesn't mean it's ok for the rest of her kit to be blatantly overtuned. is about to have a 30%+ pick rate and a 54%+ win rate for the 4th patch in a row. Yes, I'm saying what you think I'm saying. Jinx, is, and has been for a few months now, easily the best adc in the game, by a significant margin, despite being immobile. And let's be honest, she isn't really that immobile; all it takes is 1 person to die in a teamfight for her passive to be up permanently until she gets her pentakill. It's honestly gotten to the point where I've started permabanning her, and the only adcs I've ever felt a need to ban were Lucian after his "nerfs" and Tristana back when she was first pick or ban. Having weaknesses doesn't mean you can't be OP, and I seriously think it's time for Riot to look into changing something about her.

25 Comments

SalidfingersMar 28, 20155 votes

Before i even looked the first thing that came to my mind was you probably lost to a blitz with a jinx partner.

I was right..... Jinx has no mobility and is easy in my opinion to shut down in lane with out interference, but to bring a blitz to help secure kills make a difference.

It looks like blitz did his job and gotten jinx kills.

Second you picked shyvana with no utility and gave first blood to a singed jungle. On that note most of your game has been on a tilt.

I concluded that it wasn't just jinx that won that game, but everyone on the enemy team doing there job better.

SEKAIMar 28, 20154 votes

Still statistically having both high win and pick rate at the same time just doesn't seem fair.

SalidfingersMar 28, 20153 votes

54% isn't much since there are 4 other ADC's that are 1-3% behind her and the fact there will always be someone better. Ill say other wise if there was a 5% gap between the next one.

Lets nerf the champion who ever takes the lead. That isn't the best reason to nerf a champion and as for popularity most of the community find her appealing because she is crazy.

Slamurai JackMar 29, 20152 votes

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Before i even looked the first thing that came to my mind was you probably lost to a blitz with a jinx partner.

I was right..... Jinx has no mobility and is easy in my opinion to shut down in lane with out interference, but to bring a blitz to help secure kills make a difference.

It looks like blitz did his job and gotten jinx kills.

Second you picked shyvana with no utility and gave first blood to a singed jungle. On that note most of your game has been on a tilt.

I concluded that it wasn't just jinx that won that game, but everyone on the enemy team doing there job better.

Oh no, someone has said something I don't like! Time to look through his match history so I can discredit him. What's that, he lost to a Jinx recently? Well that settles it then; nothing he says is of any value because the dude is just salty he lost. Next time, I'll make sure to post right after a Jinx hard carries me so people will actually take what I have to say seriously.

You're honestly telling me that a champion with a 31% pick rate and a 54% win rate is balanced and ok. Get real. If Lee Sin, Leblanc, or Zed had a 31% pick rate and a 54% win rate, you'd be calling Riot the worst gaming company ever and calling for them to all be fired. Lucian and Tristana got butchered for less. What makes Jinx so special?

SalidfingersMar 29, 20151 votes

No i feel that you are frustrated that you gave first blood to a singed and it is in noway shape or form your fault that a jinx who got fed bot lane was able to possibly kite a shyvana with out CC outside of exhaust.

And Lee Sin, Leblanc, or Zed dont have above 50% average while someone like Malzahar has close to 54% and yet i don't see you screaming about him.

Jinx stats at the moment have shifted to 52.46% while MF just hit 52.05.

The rate MF is climbing we better call for nerfs on MF soon.

SEKAIMar 28, 20154 votes

Look at her face, that's the face she had during her last convo with Morello.

Jinx: "If I don't get to be OP....... Well I am sure I will be, right Morelly?" Jinx: "Right??" Morello: "......"

ForPortalMar 28, 20154 votes

"Blatantly overtuned" meaning she has a 3.89% win rate differential. Give her a nudge, maybe, but there are 20 champions with win rate differentials of over 4%, and 10 with win rate differentials of over 5%. I'd focus on getting them working properly first.

ValyrianBladeMar 28, 20154 votes

First, there are champions with larger win rates to look at first. Second, the only reason for her high pick/ban rates is that many other top notch adcs have been nerfed to shreds so her competition may be slightly lacking - she doesn't need a nerf so much as possibly some other adcs could use buffs.

Finally, as a Jinx main / semi-main, I'd say her lack of mobility is a severe weakness. She's very weak in lane. Not in the sense that in a 2v2 lane she'll lose (because she won't) but from a different perspective: her strength in lane is pushing power and yet her weakness is mobility meaning that she pushes and then becomes extremely susceptible to ganks.

Want to beat a Jinx? Pick an early game (or even just a regularly strengthed) jungler and gank bot lane at level 3. GGWP. A level 2 Jinx is dead from almost any gank or at least uses her flash (at least her Chompers can slow down a jungler enough to have a chance at survival). Once your ADC has a first blood lead on Jinx she can't push lane at all because they can beat her 2v2, and she isn't great at much else.

Jinx is also incredibly weak against non-adcs, particularly mid laners and junglers. While most ADCs have a dash/jump/blink/etc... she only has Chompers to defend with. Most mids and junglers have some way of bypassing her chompers quickly, thereby nullifying her escape potential. Having played Jinx against mid LeBlanc's I can say those games are miserable if LB decides to roam at all.

On a final note, in competitive play Jinx doesn't seem to see any picks at all, which is what the game is balanced around. I bet Riot would LOVE to see Jinx in competitive play, as her LCSBIGPLAYS ultimate would be amazing for viewers. Thing is, with the warding and team communication at high levels of play her ultimate is next-to-impossible (if not actually impossible) to hit from any range at all which pretty much defeats its purpose. Even outside of ranked 5s, if people have good map awareness and use wards they should be able to see her ultimate incoming. Add on to that the fact that her W has a massive indicator to make dodging it easy, her chompers have a noticeable (about 0.4 seconds) set up time, and her Q makes her choose between having the highest max rank basic attack speed in the game with nothing else, or having the lowest max rank basic attack speed in the game with splash damage and great range, means that she's always making a meaningful tradeoff there.

I don't think she's OP for a moment. Perhaps there are a few ADCs that could use some love and I definitely don't think Jinx needs help, but I wouldn't want to see her kit nerfed at all (maybe a small AS or AD nudge, but anything more would be uncalled for).

WolfChasesMar 28, 20152 votes

Jinx is weak in lane? What drugs are you consuming mate?

Why in fact Jinx is unfair to the rest of the ADCs?

She is a HYPPER CARRY which means she should have WEAK laning phase, but she easily outpushes Caitlyn.
She can toogle her Q to extend her range (and outrange Caitlyn) when she needs it and it doesn't cost a lot of mana tho.
She scales into late game almost as hard as Vayne and Kog'Maw even tho Kog's and Vayne's laning is obnoxiously weak.
While other ADCS are crying for at least one AS item, Jinx gets free AS from her kit.

And at the end...yes Caitlyn who is considered a lane bully cant outrange and outpush a good Jinx.

ValyrianBladeMar 29, 20151 votes

From my post: "She's very weak in lane. Not in the sense that in a 2v2 lane she'll lose (because she won't) but from a different perspective: her strength in lane is pushing power and yet her weakness is mobility meaning that she pushes and then becomes extremely susceptible to ganks."

Did you even read? She won't lose a 2v2 because she's strong fighting. She'll outpush even caitlyn because she's strong pushing (also, since when is caitlyn considered a Lane pusher? She's a bully, who is countered by pushers like sivir and jinx).

Her WEAKNESS is that she has no escape and no survivability from ganks. Her playstyle in Lane is to push hard and yet that makes her easy meat for any jungler. Wards help of course, so if her and the support are warding well and retreat whenever you go to gank, the jungler needs to take an unorthodox path.

Also: Late game jinx is strong but no where near hyper carry status. Your hyper carries are vayne and kog'maw, your borderline hyper carries are tristana and kalista. Jinx is at the next point, I.e. a strong carry. Jinx has next to nothing in her kit. A slow that gives an indicator that is easily dodged. Short ranged chompers with a delay that are only any good for blocking out a path in the jungle. A cross map ultimate that scales with missing health and is easy to dodge if you establish any vision and have map awareness. The only strong part of her kit is the flexibility offered by q, whether she wants speed to take down turrets or single targets (which doesn't come close to matching tristana, or even vayne or kog'maw) and splash to waveclear or hit a pile of enemy champions (don't stand on top of eachother is advice against a lot of champs).

With her lack of mobility and self peel, the vast majority of assassins and junglers should be able to dive her in a fight and eliminate her before she can contribute. Jinx is definitely benefiting from junglers like sejuani replacing ones like kha'zix, I'll admit that.

Anyways, a tl; dr for you: JINX IS IMMOBILE. GANK HER. ASSASSINATE HER In teamfights.

ForPortalMar 28, 20151 votes

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Add on to that the fact that her W has a massive indicator to make dodging it easy...

In my experience, even bots can reliably dodge her W.

Slamurai JackMar 28, 20153 votes

The most telling factor that she's overtuned, however, is that the other most popular ADC, Graves, is technically a counter to her, and yet Jinx still has a 53% win rate against him. Something has to give.

SEKAIMar 28, 20152 votes

Either she pushes turrets way too fast, the AoE damage just does too much or the ulti flies too quick for proper reaction time.

One of those 3, or all of them.

NilokMar 29, 20151 votes

So your argument is that she is really good at pushing towers, does a lot of AoE damage, or she can miss with her ult.

I don't understand your argument.

AntonokMar 28, 20152 votes

Fishbones needs to be scaled back. Usual ADC crits on constant AoE attacks is what makes her a monster late game during team fights.

Edit: Just so you know why I say that:

FISHBONES: at the cost of 20 mana per attack, gains bonus attack range, also dealing 10% AD bonus damage and making her basic attacks splash. The splash deals full damage to all enemies in a 150-radius area, and the bonus damage to her target and the splash damage both scale additively with critical strikes.

disregardableMar 28, 20153 votes

I think the range is really what needs nerfed here. The problem isn't that she can use AOE crits, the problem is that she can use AOE crits and you can't get to her to stop her. Now that they've nerfed Tristana's level 18 range, I think it's time to nerf Jinx's Q range...a lot. Also, super mega death rocket's cooldown is kinda low. You can literally use it every single fight, it is that low.

OperationDEEZ1Mar 28, 20152 votes

1.9 attack speed at level 7 with no items hur hur hur

DJ Di0Mar 28, 20152 votes

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1.9 attack speed at level 7 with no items hur hur hur

All that attack speed doesn't matter that early when Graves makes a new hole in your face in 2 seconds.

Slamurai JackMar 29, 20152 votes

If any of those champions had a 31% pick rate as well as that high of a win rate, then yes, I would complain about them. I hear constantly from the community that popular champions have artifically lower win rates because of all the noobs hopping on the bandwagon. When does that happen to Jinx? I mentioned her pick rate multiple times for a reason; if a champion is both extremely popular and still has a very high win rate, that would seem to tell me that they're even stronger than their win rate would indicate. And like I also mentioned before, the other most popular adc is Graves, who incidentally counters her. And yet, her high win rate remains.

NilokMar 28, 20151 votes

Jinx, the better Tristana.

SaiannaMar 28, 20151 votes

what's a Tristana? New item? Map? Mode? Wanna try it!

Unless you mean that reworked yordle that sucks balls, then nty.

NilokMar 28, 20151 votes

I heard there was a "Megling" called Tristana once, she was pretty good apparently.

infinate 8sMar 28, 20151 votes

Played as lulu supp with a graves versus jinx and morgana and was able to 1v1 jinx late game..... she definitely is powerful but not op, you just need to prevent her from hyper pushing by always poking her down.

DeloricVIMar 28, 20151 votes

I'm sorry, but I have to fill you in on why arguments using winrates less than like... 70-80% don't concern me at all about how powerful a champion is. That just means that this champion is good at low elo. Is that bad? Yes. Admittedly. However, Riot can't always cater to the less skilled players more than the skilled ones. If you look at the math, way more than just "the majority" of players are bronze. And if people make jokes about "Bronzies" and how bad they are, they're going to skew these numbers. A lot. Like, winrates translate mostly to 'How does this champion do in Bronze, and maybe sliver or gold.' It doesn't say much about plat, diamond, challenger, or the LCS, or, more importantly, how balanced that champion is.

Sythriel DrakenMar 28, 20151 votes

The issue is not Jinx, but it's the fact she's usually paired with an overpowered support like Blitzcrank (which that champion needs a complete rework as his kit is way too forgiving and does WAY too much damage for a support).

Like some previous posters have said, the other ADCs need a buff so that it's not a matter of "who's overpowered" but more of a "what style of play do I want to do". Right now, there IS no such thing, it's "what's the LCSers playing, lets play the hell out of those overpowered champions" instead of, what do I feel like playing.