Interactions that make Zyra's plants just straight up suck especially midgame onwards

Shaian·2/11/2020, 9:26:22 PM·3 votes·2,477 views

Some of them are intended apparently and some are not

  • A single Ahri W-fire instantly kills any plant. So if you cast 3 plants on top of Ahri she just needs to press W and all plants instantly die.
  • Annie Q on plants for free
  • Cassio can use E on plants with the <1 sec cd on it, killing the plant onehit and getting the mana back
  • Corki E does both tick very rapid and does 2x of its intended damage (since its split magic and physical, this did not get fixed unlike the Corki autos)
  • Gangplank's R does like 4x its inteded damage. It's coded as AoE-ability over Multihit. A single Wave out of the many he has instantly kills an ulted plant
  • Graves oneshots plants with autoattacks
  • Heimers turrets deal 8x their inteded damage. A single turretshot instantly kills a Zyraplant
  • Irelia can Q plants and oneshot them to heal up, stack passive and it resets her Q as well so Zyra's own plants don't zone her, but give her engage opportunities and the plant can't attack her back
  • Same with Qiyana and Yasuo E
  • Karthus can oneshot plants with isolated Q's for free
  • When Kayle is exhaulted she oneshots plants if she focusses them. Also her E oneshots plants
  • Kayn killing plants with one Q (AoE instead of Multihit)
  • Nautilus E kills all plants around him
  • Ryze E onehits plants and spreads the flux. Like its not even an investment to throw it on a plant in lane, because it doesn't restrict his waveclear
  • Skarner's second Q oneshots Zyraplants
  • Every single Taliyah rock from Q can onehit a plant
  • Urgot passive onehits a plant, his W with its tickrate literally as well (needs 2 "autos")
  • Viktor Q to gain a shield and run fast into your face to trade back or enhance him to get in range of you to chase you down
  • Yasuo tornado oneshots plants
  • damage of DoT's depend on tickrate so Singed does 2x dmg than full AP Morg W, which sucks
  • if DoT abilities are Liandries enhanced (which is not unlikely midgame) the plants die even faster
  • If they have Ludens on top half of the plant HP is gone anyway aka abilities kill them instantly
  • Melee Champs can kill plants in EWRQW combo before they are buffed by R or even attack (if you have aa's without command enabled they kill them without input)
  • Champs like Rengar can get combod with EWWR but AA -> Tiamat -> W and kill all ulted plants around. Tiamat in general feels super unfair to play against

Doing this to kill plants is not an investment, Its always worth doing that because plants are where Zyra's damage lies. If you use one ability to deny her damage you still have enough for Zyra herself. She can't do anything afterwards. Thats why 7.24 which meant to buff her midlane made her actually worse in that role. They are so many tools which deny her as a champ and main carry of her team.

Putting points in W after level 13 is so pointless. 2 seconds less CD on W means nothing since you get a seedreset instantly per takedown in a teamfight. And you got a passive as well. It could be used to make these interactions not completely unfair later in the game.

These things are super tragic especially in Master+ games, because even if they don't know it pregame they figure stuff out and abuse it straight up for the rest of the game. Instead of feeling zoned they charge in instead to kill the plants. Especially melee tanks or carries with alot of attackspeed. Its been more than 2 years like that and only MF + Corki autos got fixed yet.

7 Comments

GFREEMEN2/11/2020, 10:09:44 PM2 votes

Zyra Plant HPs is a HUGE issue with her. Its why she cant play Midlane (WHERE SHE WAS DESIGNED TO LIVE)

I think with them wanting to add more champs to the Jungle Role I think Zyra could make a GREAT option here.

Iv always thought her Roles should have been Midlane, Jungle.

Only reason she is Support is she was kicked out of Midlane

Iljos2/11/2020, 10:07:44 PM1 votes

just revert zyra already, putting all her damage in plants was fucking stupid, she one shoots you without hitting shit now.