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@Meddler Can i get a statement on how you think your changes turned out to be after 6 patches?

Shaian·2/28/2018, 4:10:58 PM·39 votes·11,101 views
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Sorry, but im super salty. So frustrating to play. Is this good design? "Zyra is the plant mage and we want to emphasize that so we put half of her damage into plant AI" (season 6). I used to hear "all because of the amount of plants she gets" are the reason for worse ap ratios, base damage, scaling hp. What are my plants doing now though? Half of my damage is not existant with ur recent changes.

Cant i get a statement on what you think? I'm not even looking necessarily for "Riot thinks this"-statement. What do you guys personally think when you watch this?

When i look at how it lead to this I feel like you trapped yourself with the passive you gave her. You cant balance it for low mmr when a champ has half of her damage in AI. But, what i watch in this video is just unacceptable. This is not about Rengars skill. He oneshots my plant in a fullcombo before it can even get empowered, just by running with attackmove.

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RiotRiotRepertoir2/28/2018, 7:03:08 PM79 votes

Cant i get a statement on what you think? I'm not even looking necessarily for "Riot thinks this"-statement. What do you guys personally think when you watch this?

My thoughts:

  • It's fair that melees 1-shot plants in the early game.
  • It's pretty crappy that Zyra's E+W often results in enemies "accidentally" 1-shotting her plants because of how being rooted causes you to auto acquire nearby targets to basic attack (in this case, her plants).
  • It's possible her plants should again be tankier as the game goes on, so they grow out of being 1-shot by melees or something.
  • Empowered attacks like Rengar's Q 1-shotting ulted plants shouldn't happen, and we should fix that.
Saianna2/28/2018, 7:01:42 PM6 votes

Wasn't Zyras ap ratios flat out nerfed because Rito wanted to shove her as next support, so they trimmed her whole power a fuckton down so she wouldn't be a mage-wannabe?

That cringy story about plant mage is as believable just as much as gipsy fortuneteller telling me 6 winning numbers in lottery for only 5$.

GankLord2/28/2018, 7:45:24 PM6 votes

It's funny that you still consider Zyra a true mage. She hasn't be able to credible damage to anyone since season 5. Riot has continually nerfed her until the only role she can preform decently is support and while it's ok for Zyra's plants to be 1 shotted its not ok for Heim. I mean for god sakes his turrets can attack turrets. She used to be my favorite champion. My favorite mid mage and now there is absolutely no reason as to why you would take her mid. She can't carry and she so squishy and immobile as a support there are better choices. It really makes me feel like the team purely balances based on favorite champions instead of considering how these champions even play. She didn't even need a rework to begin with. All she needed was an Ai fix on her plants and a new passive and she would have been fine after all the previous nerfs she got pre-rework. I hope someday someone on the team will come to their senses and realize she was never meant to be a support so she can take her rightful place mid again. I feel she was nerfed so hard after S5 because of mage supports becoming a thing but it's stupid to nerf a champion for a secondary role.

ricardo20103/1/2018, 1:49:12 AM3 votes

Support wants to one shot a rengar with janna shield. Unfair otherwise.

Cowgirl Ed2/28/2018, 4:39:13 PM2 votes

Did Rengar sneeze and killed all the plants? That happens a lot in botlane, somebody usually say "Sorry Zyra didn't mean to step on your plants"

Yago3/1/2018, 12:09:15 AM2 votes

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Sorry, but im super salty. So frustrating to play. Is this good design? "Zyra is the plant mage and we want to emphasize that so we put half of her damage into plant AI" (season 6). I used to hear "all because of the amount of plants she gets" are the reason for worse ap ratios, base damage, scaling hp. What are my plants doing now though? Half of my damage is not existant with ur recent changes.

Cant i get a statement on what you think? I'm not even looking necessarily for "Riot thinks this"-statement. What do you guys personally think when you watch this?

When i look at how it lead to this I feel like you trapped yourself with the passive you gave her. You cant balance it for low mmr when a champ has half of her damage in AI. But, what i watch in this video is just unacceptable. This is not about Rengars skill. He oneshots my plant in a fullcombo before it can even get empowered, just by running with attackmove.

I've played the game since 2011 and I've abhorred 'plant health' as a mechanic since its inception. It's never really made sense. Its exact values have changed two or three times now, and it SEEMS simple: Plants have 8 health and take 1 damage from minions, 1 from damage over time, 2 from large minions, 4 from AoE abilities, 4 from Ranged attacks, 8 from melee attacks, 8 from single target spells...

But there's so many possibilities you have to keep track of. Minion aggro. Luden's Echo. Liandry's Torment. Statikk Shiv. Red Buff. Sunfire Cape. Iceborn Gauntlet. Ravenous Hydra. Titanic Hydra.

And those are just the things that can dramatically affect how long your plants last which are available in every single game. Then there are specific champion concerns like auto-resets and on-hit effects and certain spells or buffs...

It's a complete gamble as to whether the plants get to do anything or not, and it feels absolutely terrible for everyone involved.