Can We Talk About Fizz?

pwc2016··3 votes·1,085 views

Title.

I see these posts about Akali, a champion that, while I agree is annoying and arguably over powered, has a low winrate and is NOT really a menace to the majority of players.

However, Fizz seems to have gone underneath EVERYONE'S radar, despite his stupid stats and equally, if not more so, annoying kit.

1st his passive is now incredibly stupid imo. Why does an assassin take reduced damage from anything? He should not have any way to reduce damage. His passive also scales with AP, for some reason. Yes, it's a 1% ratio, but it doesn't seem uncommon to get up to 700+ AP if a game goes on long enough, so Fizz can easily be reducing 70+ damage from all sources. Autos? 70 less damage. It doesn't seem like a lot, but it definitely adds up.

And the main issue I have with this champ is Playful Trickster. Why is this in the game? It would be bad enough if it were a dash, but no, IT ALSO MAKES HIM UNTARGETABLE. It's not rare to hit 40% CDR on Fizz (Protobelt+Hourglass+Lich Bane+Anything else that gives 10% CDR). This means that Fizz can have up to .75 seconds on untargetability every 6 seconds. This is just idiotic. You can complain about Akali shroud, but Akali is now visible/targetable in shroud if she attacks and can be hurt, along with having a 18ish or more second cooldown since she doesn't build CDR apart from possibly a Hourglass. This allows him to: Dodge skllshots Dodge ults Avoid any damage that would kill him Prevent any engage Prevent any trading

In my post on Akali from yesterday, I said Akali was oppressive because shroud meant she could trade while you could not...how is this different than Fizz? You literally cannot trade with him in Playful Trickster. You can't trade with him until he gets out...but that means he's guaranted to get Electrocute off with almost no way to retaliate. it's like a 6 second CD Windwall (of course, shorter by about 50%) except worse because he dodges everything. How is this fair?

On top of this, Fizz is AP, so he scales incredibly well and has access to Hourglass and Armguard, so he doesn't struggle against really any matchjups that badly in midlane.

Fizz has had a a win rate above 51.5% win rate since 9.14. He has been S+ (S on some lists) for SO LONG. This champion is not fun to play against. Please nerf him.

10 Comments

Dracocrash4 votes

LMAO I can't tell if you're trolling or not

1% of 700 is not 70 ITS 7 LOL.

The difference between Fizz E and Akali W should also be fairly obvious. Majority of fizz's damage in his non-ultimate kit comes from his E. He has to use it to do damage, he can't hold onto it untill a bad situation comes up.

Chainman32 votes

Hey ma boi +1 for being able to think critically. Would this be called thinking critically or just common sense? Anyways +1 for you my man you hit the nail on the head.

Emperor Talquin3 votes

Agreed. He's sleeper Op.

While we're at it, let's also remove one of ahri's dashes, or redice the dash range by half and keep 3 dashes. She is way too mobile and has too many escapes.

pwc20162 votes

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Agreed. He's sleeper Op.

While we're at it, let's also remove one of ahri's dashes, or redice the dash range by half and keep 3 dashes. She is way too mobile and has too many escapes.

I think Ahri should have the dash range reduced by a bit, but not too much imo. It's her only escape, and the only mobility she has. Could probably use a slight nerf, but not too much.

Emperor Talquin2 votes

I agree. My idea was a little exaggerated. And just in case you thought i did, i didn't just target ahri cause your icon is kda ahri. I just have bad memories trying to gank her.

Dope Solo1 votes

She's got 4 easy buttons on her kit and that charm did not need any kind of buff.

Galiö3 votes

Fizz isnt that bad and you can easily trade with Fizz. If Fizz doesnt burst you dont Fizz makes themselves vulnerable. They have to literally int into you to do anything and if you force them for use playful trickster they are a sitting duck after.

If you think Fizz is so strong I'd try playing it a bit.

Chainman32 votes

Yes, it's a 1% ratio, but it doesn't seem uncommon to get up to 700+ AP if a game goes on long enough, so Fizz can easily be reducing 70+ damage from all sources. Autos? 70 less damage. It doesn't seem like a lot, but it definitely adds up.

You do know 1% of 700 is 7 right? Not 70.

After that we dropped the number game and began the rant being the only actual numbers that showed up were

This means that Fizz can have up to .75 seconds on untargetability every 6 seconds.

dropped with an opinion

You literally cannot trade with him in Playful Trickster. You can't trade with him until he gets out

and he cant trade with you during it.

but that means he's guaranted to get Electrocute off with almost no way to retaliate

wait i think we missed a step.

On top of this, Fizz is AP, so he scales incredibly well and has access to Hourglass and Armguard, so he doesn't struggle against really any matchjups that badly in midlane.

Wait in what way does he scale well? His 30% Ap ratio on his W? or 55% on his Q? 75% is a decent scaling which is what mages have on every single ability. His ult being 80% and if you're a blind monk maybe 120% but thats literally only if you have the reflexes of a person with no senses.

Fizz has had a a win rate above 51.5% win rate since 9.14.

The winrate argument. The go to for players who cant explain anything besides "say what the champion's abilities are and say their winrate"

xDogMeatx2 votes

liss/malz is aids im a m7 fizz main.

Ore wa LeBlanc1 votes

Lmao I tried picking up Fizz and gave up after reaching M5 because he sucks against most matchups. I suggest you try him, he doesn't deal that much damage at all and is VERY dependent on snowballing. May I ask who you were playing against him?

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