I have a question for Riot

Jefftiffy··1 votes·443 views

So Chogath and Malphite are tanks right? So why do they have so many high ap ratios and base damages. Tanks are only supposed to have high base values. Yet Cho can ult you for 1.2k true damage and still had 4k+ hp and resists. Malphite can go full tank and build a trinity and explode anyone in his path. Then there are the full AP builds which are literally pure cancer to fight against.

Are you going to nerf their base damage or ratios in the future because both picks are really bullying out a lot of options in mid and top lane. I mean they are nothing like Skarner or Garen in terms of bullying but they basically pigeon hole you into picking people weak to juggernauts because the fear that they can be picked and will be. I feel like this is why the meta has gotten really stale in mid lane

Sure you can go someone like Katarina or Pantheon orKarthus , but odds are they are going to pick Chogath because not only does he outscale and bully you, but he counters you all game and can build AP and not care that he is immobile because you can't touch him unless he screws up. Cho really needs his W dropped 70->45% scaling and his Q dropped 100->50%. Ult dropped 70 -> 35%. His AS goes from 1.44 -> 1.75% per level. Starting mana 272.2 -> 300. Now gains 3/5/7 armor and MR per feast stack.

Malphite is mostly annoying because his 300+ damage Qs with just a sheen. And to top it off he gets AD for building AP (ty aoe AD damage on a 10% ap ratio). Malph just needs his Q damage dropped to 70/110/150/190/230 + 40% AP and his ult drop to 150/225/300 + 75% AP. In exchange he would get 12/15/18% of his max hp as shield instead. Also swap his AoE physical damage to magic so if he builds AP you can itemize against him effectively

Why do these guys need their ratios hit? Because they literally are meant to be tanks and they explode people with 1 AP item and don't even fall off because they can swap to bruiser build half way. And I did give them some more durability to make up for the lost damage so they don't get pushed out of their role as tank.

Do you feel that the AP itemization changes actually broke them combined with the new tank itemization changes?

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Crett1 votes

While I do support tanks being tankier and doing less damage, I would prefer them being strong mid-laners to Katarina being a meta pick. Ever

Jefftiffy1 votes

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While I do support tanks being tankier and doing less damage, I would prefer them being strong mid-laners to Katarina being a meta pick. Ever

Thing is changing their ratios doesn't effect Kata at all. I'm just saying that a lot of champs are being choked out of top and mid because of these 2 specific champs. These were just ones I could do off the top of my head.

I am starting to see these 2 a ton since the juggernaut reworks. I'm kind of surprised their popularity is so low because they are both fairly easy and really strong right now.

Another champ really choking out the meta in top lane is Riven, but I'm not even going to start trying to explain the problems with Riven (I mean her kit is inherently impossible to balance for one)

Maximum Zilean1 votes

Its a prime example of out of date kits. So their scalings are all over the place.

But since both Malphite and Cho aren't in dire need of reworks at the moment. Its probably going to stay that way.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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Its a prime example of out of date kits. So their scalings are all over the place.

But since both Malphite and Cho aren't in dire need of reworks at the moment. Its probably going to stay that way.

The thing is Riot said oh we have to deal with problems aren't necessarily here and now yet they choose to ignore champs with kits like these. Don't get me wrong. I like the champs I just don't like how their kits can pump out so much damage if you tilt strongly towards the damage side but take some durability along the way. They were made as tanks not damage dealers.

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