These ratios on Galio are absurd

Eedat··48 votes·2,315 views

Passive: .7 AP

Q: .9 on gust, .6 on Tornado, 9% Max HP per 100 AP

W: +5% per 100 AP

E: .9 AP

R: .7 AP

That gives him a total of 3.8 AP + like 40-50% max HP after a few items. Realistically its like 4.5 once you factor in he gets his passive off twice in one combo. Why does he also get insane amounts of damage reduction on top of these crazy ratios? Not even champs like Veigar or Syndra get these kind of ratios.

Who thought these changes through exactly?

42 Comments

Rebonack28 votes

Riot was concerned about releasing Eve overtuned and then they do this?

...okay.

Snake Prince1 votes

they did the same for cassio , so low win rate she got an hot fix . while they released broken malz just next to it . i think riot doesn't like strong evil females

Eedat1 votes

i think riot doesn't like strong evil females

I dunno man. Camille was busted af on release

Thefrostyviking1 votes

She is kinda neutral evil though, Eve is straight on chaotic evil.

Auz the Ripper12 votes

They're fine with unavoidable instant death as long as you can see it coming. /s

RavenMagus2 votes

They're fine with unavoidable instant death as long as it's coming from a tank or diver.

Auz the Ripper1 votes

Galio is a mage now mate

RavenMagus1 votes

He's listed under 'tank' in the champion list. That's all he needs!

Shadòw1 votes

don't forget ADCs

RavenMagus1 votes

That's true, can't forget the best assassins in the game: Twitch, Vayne and Quinn

Apocalypsic24 votes

"You think tank Galio is broken and we don't know how to properly balance our own game! Well we'll show you broken..."

Velzard of Koz15 votes

That's their secret plan to solve Yasuo permabanning in lower elos.

[zombie-brand-clap]

Azadethe2 votes

I'm personally upset because I can't ban both Galio and Jarvan (Jarvan disrupts games Gold + more than any other jungler and is the champ most elo boosters play)

ChargeItDownMid14 votes

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Eedat6 votes

It was even written in the patch notes that it's per tick. It wasn't a mistake

Spank the Fox20 votes

It was a mistake to think that was okay.

NineTailedMystic2 votes

2.5 to 3 AP rivals a squishy Mage's burst from a full rotation. With just his passive and two abilities.

RankOneUganda11 votes

you won't get to 3.8 because half of that plus Q is enough to kill squishie. hell even less lmao.

Rexxiee3 votes

Can we fire the whole balance team yet and hire ppl that actually play their own game and arent silver?

Eedat2 votes

Plat should be a requirement for the balance team. High gold absolute minimum

NineTailedMystic1 votes

That's an awful idea.

JustSaiyan692 votes

I don't see how, if they did do that they have players who actually understand the game, and play it meaning they personally can experience anything in the game that needs tweaking.

Instead of you know, randomly giving out random op as fuck buffs for no reason that has nothing to do with any of the balance issues that need attention.

Riot's balancing goes a little something like this:

  1. make something super op and unbalanced.
  2. fix it.
  3. repeat.

That's it, that's all they do.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

Hiring someone based on their rank in a game isn't a very good metric. Even it is working for Riot on League. Like the only League requirement to be hired is to play it, iirc and I'm sure that's not a hard rule.

Leetri4 votes

Doesn't this place complain all the time about how Plat players don't understand the game? And being Plat or higher doesn't mean you understand balancing. Compare that to a sport like american football. The players out on the field might be crazy good at actually playing and the micro decisions, but they could have 0 understanding of the overall macro tactics. They just do what their coach tells them to do. Meanwhile there's an old guy in a booth commenting on this who last played football 50 years ago, but he knows every single tactic and play you can make.

Even Challenger players make wrong calls and don't get it right all the time, and they're the top players in the world.

Serika Zero2 votes

the reason i stopped watching sports is because casters are shit, they don't know shit, they lie, they are biased towards teams, and ofc, lovely them barelly know anything. If you'd spend 5 minutes on google, you could debunk half of their claims. sometimes they make some claims (false), and then there's a reply totally contradicting them, and most of them, would not change their claims what so ever and keep running with the false narrative.

So, sry, no. Casters are quite often morons. There are a few that study and understand the game, the vast majority doesn't.

Being part of the balance team in a game doesn't require you to know how to write code. It doesn't require you to know psychology. It doesn't require you to know marketing. It doesn't require you to know how to use microsoft powerpoint. It doesn't require you to have an arts degree. It doesn't require you to be some artistic genius at developing new stuff for the game.

It requires you to have very good game knowledge, study and understand the game. And then have the communication skills to talk with: a) market team b) psychology team to decide upon the changes and finally c) software developing team to explain the changes that are needed to be implemented.

You can easily get into plat by playing easy champions (low amount of skill shots such as rammus, akali, annie, talon, maokai, nocturne, tristana, etc) while having a large amount of game knowledge. So, yes. Its not an absurd requirement. Because that's the main thing you require for your job, to study and understand the game. That's what you need to balance shit out. Ofc, if the market team goes: we will release a new ahri skin in 2 months, we should give her a minor buff. For example. That matters. Or: players really hate this xxx champion, and it makes games more negative and toxic, we should nerf him a bit. For example, from the psychology team, then ofc, that also impacts your decision of balancing.

That's what balancing is: being able to talk and understanding what you talk about.

sky blower1 votes

Hell Galio is already broken in this meta. Now after buffs, good luck dealing with enemy tank Galio assassinating your carries :)

Spank the Fox21 votes

Assassinating your carries?

He assassinating the entire front line

Eedat2 votes

Galio: Engage on me. I dare you. Dont mind my 50% max HP AoE and 3.1 Ap ratios just on my normal abilities

Iota Theta1 votes

{quoted}

Galio: Engage on me. I dare you. Dont mind my 50% max HP AoE and 3.1 Ap ratios just on my normal abilities

But only engage when my W is up, otherwise I explode

MrHaZeYo1 votes

He got the same treatment Ekko did. Moved most of his base damage to ratios. Generally he is built like a tank, so those Ratios don't mean much, although if you go full AP you will decimate people lol.

Nyarlathοtep1 votes

I know right? Funny as fk. Mages have lower scalings, way less hard cc and ( this applies to galio only ) he can also save his adc thx to his ulti which deals shitloads of dmg. I mean why the fk should i pick a mage that deals less dmg when i can pick galio, deal more dmg thx to his scalings, is much more useful to his team thx to his taunt and ulti and has a decent laning phase.

Tails90161 votes

I remember when Galio got reworked and I played him AP.

It was strong and fun, but Riot doing some intense drugs right not

Violet Fields1 votes

Uhh, yes Veigar he does.

P: Infinite Scaling AP on landing an ability. Q: 60% W: 100% R: 75% MINIMUM

Bârd2 votes

Veigar doesn't become invincible.

Snowplosion2 votes

.... that's not even close....

A Dizzy Lulu1 votes

Veigar's ult has a 1.5 AP ratio lol and his W is 1.0

Eedat4 votes

Not exactly

Primordial Burst ACTIVE: Veigar blasts the target enemy champion with primordial energy, dealing them magic damage, increased by 0% - 100% (based on target's missing health). 175 / 250 / 325 (+ 75% AP)

So theoretically it will do 1.499 if you ult someone at 1hp. However, obviously the damage is completely wasted. I believe the most efficient time to use Veigar ult is ~30% HP (assuming its not a tank) to maximize the damage without wasting it

Also, it brings veigars total ratios for a ratation to 3.1 at maximum, assuming he wastes his ult on a 1HP target

Veigars ult does less damage than Galio's Q once you factor in galios Q legit does 40-50% max HP

NineTailedMystic1 votes

Veigar R caps when the enemy is at 30% or less HP. Doesn't matter if they're at 1% HP or 30% HP beyond that.

JustSaiyan691 votes

Well Veigar's less tankier, and mobile, and he also doesn't have 2 hard cc, and an aoe damage reduction knock up for teamfights.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

I'm not comparing Veigar to Galio at all. Eedat says that Veigar R caps at 1 HP which isn't true.

Iota Theta1 votes

{quoted}

Well Veigar's less tankier, and mobile, and he also doesn't have 2 hard cc, and an aoe damage reduction knock up for teamfights.

Eh, galio isn’t that mobile. Delayed dash that can’t bypass terrain. He also doesn’t have range beyond Q and his combo requires being in the middle of the team, nor does he have infinite scaling AP. Apples to oranges.

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