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Deep Terror Nami6 votes

People not respecting the support is the problem, not the champion. You can pick any high damage mage and play it as a Support without strictly support items or giving your ADC all the kills, and if they don't treat you like the mid laner you're acting like then they'll regret it.

Chibi Templar1 votes

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People not respecting the support is the problem, not the champion. You can pick any high damage mage and play it as a Support without strictly support items or giving your ADC all the kills, and if they don't treat you like the mid laner you're acting like then they'll regret it.

Pretty sure his damage+range in conjunction is still bullshit. He makes bot lane extremely frustrating with good use of his ult which is now used to much better effect since it hits 2 players continually instead of 1.

In general, hes too good, always has been, just took the preseason changes for people to really see it.

TeCoolMage1 votes

Then the ADC bot lane should act as if he were laning against a mid laner who's roamed bot. I have played Ashe against fed Katarinas, Akalis, even LeBlancs, and respected the fact they got burst and made it out of lane with farm alive, without even using my ult.

Heck, I've even played against a Heimer - Blitzcrank bot lane and ended up 0/4/0 by the first few minutes, but still respected that Heimer was a mid laner and not an ADC. I eventually got ganks from Renekton, who was more capable of getting kills on such a high damage zoning duo than the engage-heavy Leona (who started roaming mid instead) and set them behind.

There are two ways to beat the Burst Support:

  1. Ganks, even if the support is dead and you're left at 2v2 (jungler + ADC vs Mid laner + ADC/supp), Diana jungle will trump Morgana if the enemy support has burst, due to the fact non burst supports have strength in countering tanks and sustained damage, not in countering assassins and mages (which is why junglers love ganking mid). For example: The jungler is Zac and your support is Lulu, Lulu dies from a single spell rotation but Zac comes in to engage anyway. Zac has an advantage against burst due to being tanky, while the enemy ADC has to focus on Zac before he kills the support, the ally ADC who is in a safe position gets to choose which of the two is more important.
  2. Play passive, burst supports rely on having as much resources as a mid laner, but due to having no gold and reduced EXP, they have to get kills. By staying alive, the lane is being pressured by the fact roaming will have the risk of a dead ADC or tower.

I've applied these two strategies against Vel'Koz, Zyra, Annie and Anivia. They have their power and personally I like playing Anivia or Vel'Koz as a support, but they have plenty of counterplay too

Maple Crusader1 votes

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People not respecting the support is the problem, not the champion. You can pick any high damage mage and play it as a Support without strictly support items or giving your ADC all the kills, and if they don't treat you like the mid laner you're acting like then they'll regret it.

Lol, just play your ap mage mid then.

TeCoolMage1 votes

Being treated as a support while having mid lane burst is a dream to most.

FadedFreezy2 votes

You need to understand that the concept of roles and positions is something that the players and community created. Any champion can jump into a match and run support. Support is in no way limited to healing and shields. Brand's passive and ability to poke behind minions allow him to keep a constant offensive presence and pressure on the enemy team. You could lock into support as Ziggs and build mana regen and just spam your Q until the enemy is zoned from your ADC. You could go support and lock into Heimer and freeze the lane while creating a safe zone for your ADC and you to retreat into. You could lock into Support as a Caitlyn and use your range for constant auto attack harrass. These wins don't mean anything in terms of him needing a nerf. He's a low mobility mage that can get shut down just like any other champion.

P0IS0N IVY1 votes

Yeah this is pretty normal. There are a few other support champions than can do this. :)

ViashinoWizard1 votes

Brand always gets most damage done because his passive really adds up over the course of the entire game, especially if the enemy team has a lot of HP stacking champions.

nananananacat1 votes

Fight fire with fire. Annie I smell burning!

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