You mean before she hits level 3 and you get punished for existing next to terrain? Then proceed to get punished for being auto attacked 3 times.
Or you can pick a champ that actually punishes her range in lane knowing full well it won't matter because she outscales you x10.
As someone who enjoys lane bully adcs such as Caitlyn and Draven but also a fair bit of Ezreal and Vayne, I feel I've got a good bit of experience on the matter of Vayne being OP or not.
In my opinion, she's not.
Vayne's strength lies in her slippery dueling potential, in the early game she needs to farm, level 2 all-ins from Leona, pressure from Blitz or Thresh and constant harass from Draven or Cait will hinder that so much it's not even funny. Notice that I don't add Lucian to the list, because even though he is a lane bully, his abilities push the lane easily, causing a very advantageous situation for Vayne. Also Vayne's catchphrase "Black Magicks" and that hurts the poor man's feelings.
If by level 4 you're a good bit ahead in farm you can generally consider the lane won, keep the pressure up and be careful once she gets Cutlass, as this is where extended fights can quickly be turned around.
In the midgame, Vayne shines as the typical ADC. Her DPS is great, she's good great chasing and teamfighting and it's just bad news if you can't catch her in time. This is by far her most volatile stage, this stage makes or breaks Vayne's endgame potential. Focus her, kill her. Plonk down pinks and oracles and for the love of god don't splitpush alone unless you've got the whole map lit up like a christmas tree or have a VERY good escape plan.
In my experience there's a few major iterations of late-game Vayne, and it seems to mostly depend on playstyle and how well the Vayne did early and mid game:
The Assassin: This is the most high risk, high reward playstyle and usually played when Vayne got fed early/mid and did very well in general. When 5 to 6-slotted Vayne is able to single a target out and smash them before they even realise what the fuck just happened. Usually played by the most mechanically skilled and confident of Vaynes. CCing may help against this Vayne, but the chance of Cleanse or QSS being in her arsenal may make that redundant. Never travel alone.
The Teamfighter: Same as any adc, but with a scary amount of chase and damage. This Vayne did average to decently well throughout the game and is not confident enough to roam for a pick, therefor she sticks with the team and tries to launch skirmishes which are quickly won with Silver Bolts and Tumble. Should a full-blown teamfight break out, these Vaynes pop ult and dart around the teamfight hitting whatever they're comfortable with hitting until whatever they're hitting dies or they die themselves. Handle as any other adc: with CC and focus.
The Splitpusher: Vayne's dueling potential is quite crazy, but this is arguably the weakest playstyle which Vaynes often wrongly force themselves into after a bad early and mid game. They'll splitpush as much as possible, dueling whoever comes to stop them. Keep in mind that these Vaynes are usually underfed and underleveled and are trying desperately to catch up by shoving the nearest lane. Avoid 1v1s, engage with a teammate and keep her from the farm. Turn it into a mini laning phase. Or simply engage their team 4v5 and get a free fight.
That's all I've got on the Night Hunter, keep in mind that this is my personal experience and opinion. And so it will probably differ from most.
I just posted this on a different discussion literally like 4 above this and I'm fine with copy and pasting it.
"Ugh. she doesn't need a nerf. every 3rd post is someone complaining about her. Either stop being bad at adc, counter pick her, play support and be GOOD or jungle and focus bot for the first few minutes and put her behind. She's honestly terrible. Its possible to play around EVERY champion. You can make Riven absolutely useless, you can make Vayne useless.... Rek'Sai, Viktor, Rumble, Sivir, Thresh, Nidalee. You can make any champion feed and be useless"
I almost never lost to Vayne in lane, whether my support is duo or not and I'm not even an adc main. People lose to her because they don't understand how to freeze and don't punish positional errors and are too afraid to put her behind. They see that they're against a Vayne and they cry about it, meanwhile imo she's one of the easiest adc's to win lane against because as soon as she's behind her build is so slow and you shouldn't have an issue out-kiting and out farming her.
I could say the exact same for people who I see complain about champions like Gnar. Pick Riven. Pick Irelia. There are such easy ways to win your lane that people completely ignore. No. You will not win lane every time purely with counter picks, but if you counter pick and they aren't this God-Tier player on that specific champion (at least compared to you), then you should win lane.
Enough said.
You have a weak early?
"Tell me about it"
Just dont stand next to terrain and poke her, punish her for every minion she dares to lasthit. Pick Cait+Sona and just watch that Vayne lose 1/3 of her hp for a cs. Or pick an all-in combo, like Graves-Leona, and kill her every time Leona hits her E. Or pick a jungler who can gank her easily, like Vi or Elise. Or pick a jungler who makes her life hell, like Rengar. Or pick a mage/assassin with no skillshots who can oneshot her or just CC her for long enough, like Malzahar. Or pick Yi and stack devourer. So much to do with her, but no, its easier to whine than to learn
Read through the thread and wasn't going to say anything because i know my opinion isn't popular but what the heck, here goes.
Vayne is only ever considered "OP" in low-mid elo. Hence you hardly ever see her played in LCS/LCK/LPL
Their are multiple reasons as to why Vayne is so strong in low-mid elo and it has everything to do with the general skill level of the players there, not how strong the champion is.
Examples :
-Wrong choice of Lane/Matchups (Cait/Blitz against a Vayne/Janna lane rofl) -No form of hard cc on your team -Playing bot lane as if you are not playing against a hypercarry -No jungle focus on the botlane early -No use of pink ward/oracle lens -Not buying Frozen Heart -Not using Exhaust -Not focusing Vayne during teamfights
The list goes on.
There is plenty of counterplay when it comes to vayne and like any other hypercarry, if you let them scale up they'll destroy you unless you play the game as its intended.
I feel like people are on a crusade, Vayne is not allowed to win games because if she does = to strong/OP
Hope this gave you some insight.
best regards, Dushi
