Why does Katarina need to be able to Shunpo three times in a row?

Yenn·Dec 31, 2016·6 votes·1,146 views

I mean, seriously?

22 Comments

Sir FuzziDec 31, 20163 votes

Because you were probably more out of position than it would make her. That kind of play requires like six, seven, maybe eight uninterrupted seconds of action for Katarina; you also have to stand by her daggers for the pickup to damage you, and she has zero CC unless she buys Rylai's for a whoppin' 20% slow.

This was, and if it happens again will be, your fault. Katarina's update made her gameplay patterns far more clear and took some of the weight of dodging off of the enemies that she can no longer just E-W onto for burst. She's more position-based now, which means that you can generally tell where she's going by watching the map around you, not her.

Stuns are a very good way to counter Katarina. Try to save them for her initiate, or if you can swing it, her ult. Mobility is best saved for her ult. Playing counteractive to Katarina will often put her at a disadvantage, because she has virtually nothing to offer a long-range engagement. Someone with stuns and greater range (ideally not stopped on minions) would help you, most likely.

CerealBoxOfDoomDec 31, 20162 votes

Because if killing you didn't look cool there would be no point in having that sort of champion

Do you have a problem with this?

YennDec 31, 20164 votes

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Because if killing you didn't look cool there would be no point in having that sort of champion

Do you have a problem with this?

I have a problem with being gap closed on from 1800 range and losing 90% of my health in an instant

CerealBoxOfDoomDec 31, 20164 votes

katarina instantly teleported to you from further than vision range and took 90% of your hp before you could react???

YennDec 31, 20162 votes

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katarina instantly teleported to you from further than vision range and took 90% of your hp before you could react???

Bouncing Blade -> Shunpo to dagger -> Preparation + Shunpo -> Pick up dagger -> Shunpo Repeat on a 15 second cooldown

King of DemonsDec 31, 20163 votes

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Bouncing Blade -> Shunpo to dagger -> Preparation + Shunpo -> Pick up dagger -> Shunpo Repeat on a 15 second cooldown

See? There is a problem with that.

Her Q needs a target, meaning she had to use it on a minion to do that. If you don't respect her dagger than that is your own fault. And that way of "gapclosing 1800 range" is absolutely asinine.

CerealBoxOfDoomDec 31, 20164 votes

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/925/494/218.png_large

that doesn't sound very instant. And wouldnt she have to wait on the dagger to fall to do the third shunpo? Isnt that over a second?

Somehow I don't think katarina is blinking 1800 units every 15 seconds lol

PennsDec 31, 20161 votes

I have a problem with this because she can 1) start Long Sword and basically one-combo the enemy mid laner at level 2-3 and 2) because I can dodge almost every single dagger in lane and still lose somehow lol.

CerealBoxOfDoomDec 31, 20162 votes

that sounds more like its your fault lol

PennsDec 31, 20161 votes

How exactly is it my fault when I dodge every single dagger but still die because she has Gunblade and her E is an auto attack reset that scales with AD and AP + her ult does even more dmg now tho?

CerealBoxOfDoomDec 31, 20162 votes

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/925/494/218.png_large

So... she's got a gunblade at level 2-3 instead of a longsword

) start ~~Long Sword~~ gunblade and basically one-combo the enemy mid laner at level 2-3

Her ult dealing more damage shouldnt really be much of a problem since you'll almost never take the full damage unless you choose to. So ya what's new or special about this again? It seems like just another assassin mid.

PennsDec 31, 20161 votes

At level 2-3 she can kill you in 1 combo with Long Sword, and I lose lane because she kills me with Gunblade despite dodging daggers. She can E behind you + ult and if you dont have some dash youre gonna take at least like 300-500 dmg from it.

CerealBoxOfDoomDec 31, 20162 votes

item 1028 150 hp

item 1056 60 hp

item 3010 225 hp and then some

She's an assassin, just act like she's an assassin lol

PennsDec 31, 20161 votes

That doesnt really change the fact that shes too strong tho

CerealBoxOfDoomDec 31, 20162 votes

it does change how impactful the argument is though.

What is your fallback plan against katarina, do you have one?

PennsDec 31, 20161 votes

I build Abyssal and wait for ganks with my freekill ult Fizz

CerealBoxOfDoomDec 31, 20161 votes

ever considered just going item 1056 item 1028 or item 1033 and just not having to deal with building a full abyssal scepter?

It may feel oppressive to lane against her if you need a full item to do it. But then again something like fizz has a really awful earlygame

PennsDec 31, 20161 votes

I mean Abyssal isnt that bad anyway, I could just sit on a Negatron since its kinda broken but Abyssal gives cdr and its cheap. But sadly the passive is nerfed..

CerealBoxOfDoomJan 1, 20171 votes

nope, it isnt bad at all. Just more expensive than the little bit of stats you need to survive katarina well enough to play catchup because she's just SOOOO oppressive lol

Reaper SorakaDec 31, 20161 votes

Riti is considering making 10 bans in draft/ranked games. To do this they need to ensure that one role cannot be completely banned out, so they need to have a couple champions in each role that are no fun to play against to prevent it.

Makes sense to me at least.

CalabokDec 31, 20161 votes

Nerf Katarina

HigeDec 31, 20161 votes

she does have a small cooldown in between shunpos though, since the reset is not 100%... it's 96% at lvl 16 lol, but she does have a small window where she can't jump unless she kills her target, in which case the shunpo reset is instantaneous.

I think it's not a problem that she CAN jump that much but it's pretty much a burden of knowledge on people who have no clue how katarina works... when she kills someone you better burn your flash away...