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I feel like Gunblade shouldn't be a core, first rush item.

Taliyah Rocks·11/20/2018, 9:44:30 PM·22 votes·8,797 views

Gunblade is a staple for many hybrid champions, but the powerspike this item offers leaves very little room for actual itemization choice for some champions. Either you can't use it, or you rush it first items. Also the few champions that can actually use it properly gain so much power out of it that they can only be balanced around that item in mind.

As far as hybrid itemization goes, Gunblade does a poor job at actually appealing to hybrid champions. Only bursty AP champions can effectively use it, koodos if they actually scale with AD. Most of them simply build full AP with a gunblade rush as a first item.

I feel like Gunblade should be reworked around actually building both AD and AP items. Maybe give it a passive inspired by the old Akali passive.

Here's an exemple of what it could be:

Hextech Gunblade +60AP +40AD +10% Lifesteal Unique Passive: You gain 50% of your bonus AD from items as AP. Your autoattacks now deal 10%(+1% per 10AP) of your Bonus AD as additionnal magic damage. You also gain Spellvamp equal to your lifesteal.

Unique Active - Lightning Bolt: Deal damage equal to this item's unique passive (including the base 100% AD) +30% AP and slows for 40%.

Obviously this item would be bad as a first item, but it would scale really well for champions that actually buy both AD and AP items. It would offer no bonus AP without previously buying AD items, and its bonus damage on hit would be very weak without either AD or AP items. A champion like Akali could buy a Stormrazor + Morello then get a Gunblade to increase her item synergy.

If Infinity Edge and Rageblade can be reworked so that it can't work as a first item anymore, i feel like Gunblade should get reworked too.

15 Comments

Juggernacht11/20/2018, 11:36:01 PM4 votes

I actually love this idea, not only would it make it less appealing for every single hybrid champ assassin in the fucking game to rush with literally no alternative, but it would allow on-hit champs like Kog'Maw to make a much better use of it too, plus it would allow for even more interesting build paths due to lifesteal to spellvamp conversion.

AirKingNeo11/21/2018, 12:01:47 AM3 votes

Gunblade is a staple for many hybrid champions

Literally only built by Akali. Jax nor Kayle builds it.

Fondling Gems11/21/2018, 1:36:34 AM3 votes

Hybrid basically just means Gunblade, full AP, and maybe a situational GA

DarkTree111/21/2018, 9:13:50 AM2 votes

if it nerfs akali, i'm up for it

Akali is SO HOT11/21/2018, 1:06:59 AM2 votes

There are only a couple of champions that rush this item as part of their core build. You can't compare it to Infinity Edge because that item was being rushed by every ADC in the game and that's how it always was whenever crit was super good before the rework. Rageblade has gotten reworked at least 6 times by now because it has been so horrendously broken on a few champions in every iteration so you can't really compare it to gunblade either.

Common Satyr11/21/2018, 1:51:06 AM2 votes

item 3078 is either a rush or dont use at all item. Is it a problem too?

Fear the Kayn11/21/2018, 3:37:00 AM2 votes

Akali + Gunblade is so annoying to lane against. She gets like 30% of her health back with one Q, its pretty ridiculous.

5050BS11/21/2018, 12:56:18 AM2 votes

You also gain Spellvamp equal to your lifesteal.

That breaks it completely.

Lifesteal is already broken on ADC we dont need ALL AP champs building this

LeftyRaydy11/21/2018, 12:42:12 AM1 votes

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Gunblade is a staple for many hybrid champions, but the powerspike this item offers leaves very little room for actual itemization choice for some champions. Either you can't use it, or you rush it first items. Also the few champions that can actually use it properly gain so much power out of it that they can only be balanced around that item in mind.

As far as hybrid itemization goes, Gunblade does a poor job at actually appealing to hybrid champions. Only bursty AP champions can effectively use it, koodos if they actually scale with AD. Most of them simply build full AP with a gunblade rush as a first item.

I feel like Gunblade should be reworked around actually building both AD and AP items. Maybe give it a passive inspired by the old Akali passive.

Here's an exemple of what it could be:

Hextech Gunblade +60AP +40AD +10% Lifesteal Unique Passive: You gain 50% of your bonus AD from items as AP. Your autoattacks now deal 10%(+1% per 10AP) of your Bonus AD as additionnal magic damage. You also gain Spellvamp equal to your lifesteal.

Unique Active - Lightning Bolt: Deal damage equal to this item's unique passive (including the base 100% AD) +30% AP and slows for 40%.

Obviously this item would be bad as a first item, but it would scale really well for champions that actually buy both AD and AP items. It would offer no bonus AP without previously buying AD items, and its bonus damage on hit would be very weak without either AD or AP items. A champion like Akali could buy a Stormrazor + Morello then get a Gunblade to increase her item synergy.

If Infinity Edge and Rageblade can be reworked so that it can't work as a first item anymore, i feel like Gunblade should get reworked too.

I 100% agree with this post. I really dislike that the new Akali synergizes too well with this item. Since she does not need any mana or mana regen and her abilities cooldowns are not bad at all, she can rush this sustain item that also deals bonus damage making her unmanageable if she snowballs. Why do other assassins not have build in sustain, and dont synergize as well with sustain items (also Katarina). I just dont like this at all giving Akali AD scalings as well makes no sense I mean she should sacrifice something to get this item, but there is non she gets so much from just 1 item it is sickening. Like why give her passive sustain if you basically make it a requirement to go gunblade first.

SwiftKitten8811/21/2018, 12:00:04 AM1 votes

i dont like the "Spellvamp euqal to your lifesteal" idea... but the rest of it is good

La Bello11/20/2018, 11:57:24 PM1 votes

. You also gain Spellvamp equal to your lifesteal.

I feel like this might be insanely abusable on some champions. spellvamp-stack Jax was actually a pretty cancerous terror back in the day so this is a bit scary. Other than that I love your idea OP. great suggestion and I hope a Red see's it.