I love it when sylas can press W and gain 270 hp with a rank 1 spell at lvl 3

Anime Fizz·Feb 4, 2019·15 votes·5,207 views

Its ok tho, old aatrox had to be removed because he had "unbalanceable sustain", and that shit is on a point and click spell, you cannot outplay that, some ppl realized how broken this spell is and are maxing it first while going grasp or fleet, and hes literally 3 times more immovable than old vlad/aatrox out of lane.

This is all not mentioning the same champion has 3 dashes and a shield on top of it.

So fking stupid.

47 Comments

Sir SaltarinFeb 4, 20197 votes

He is busted and once ppl learns how to play him we will all beg for Sylas nerfs

NaalithFeb 4, 20197 votes

That would be insane if you weren't lying. His buffed heal when he's low hp is 100 + 70% ap. I doubt the level 3 Sylas you're laning against has the 242 AP required to make his heal 270.

Anime FizzFeb 4, 20193 votes

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That would be insane if you weren't lying. His buffed heal when he's low hp is 100 + 70% ap. I doubt the level 3 Sylas you're laning against has the 242 AP required to make his heal 270.

Value is doubled when under 40% hp.

Read the tooltip fully next time.

NaalithFeb 4, 201912 votes

Hey buddy, maybe you should read my comment more fully next time. 100 + 70 IS the doubled value. Ironic that you apparently did not read the heal values at all.

DorkunedAurasFeb 4, 20192 votes

Hey, maybe he double leveled his W, so he only needs 143 AP to get the mythical 270 heal when below 40%. 143 AP is achievable at lvl 3, right? Right?

NaalithFeb 4, 20191 votes

Yes my son, if your level 1 invade results in two pentakills that could be feasible.

DorkunedAurasFeb 4, 20192 votes

What, you've never shown up to lane at 2 minutes at 10/0? Sylas is that broken, man

OleandervineFeb 4, 20196 votes

Except Sylas doesn't have anywhere near the bulk as Aatrox, nor can he properly itemize to abuse high healing and high durability.

Anime FizzFeb 4, 20192 votes

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Except Sylas doesn't have anywhere near the bulk as Aatrox, nor can he properly itemize to abuse high healing and high durability.

Bulk? Old aatrox was as squishy as a ranged champion to make up for his sustain, sylas has high base stats compared to him.

xDogMeatxFeb 4, 20193 votes

no hoo hoo hoo he has the lowest ad in the game so low riot had to buff his ad while old aatrox gets a free bf sword or something after full bloodwell. if we are comparing champs thats the big difference there. not to mention he loses vs hard duelists that love to auto.(yi jax udyr)

MachigainashiFeb 4, 20196 votes

Sylas, doesn't have decent sustain items, get your head out of your ass, and look at the items, the best ones to get tanky are pure health, which means no resistances. boohoo you can't play old aatrox, get over yourself

Anime FizzFeb 4, 20193 votes

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Sylas, doesn't have decent sustain items, get your head out of your ass, and look at the items, the best ones to get tanky are pure health, which means no resistances. boohoo you can't play old aatrox, get over yourself

Yeah, instead he gets to build the best items in the game (mage items).

Poor sylas cant build mediocre lifesteal items!

BavalFeb 4, 20193 votes

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Yeah, instead he gets to build the best items in the game (mage items).

Poor sylas cant build mediocre lifesteal items!

im sorry, i agree with your base point, but mage items are the best items in the game? We have 1 armor item, 1 magres item, 1 pen item (2 if you count morellos, which wastes stat efficiency on grievous wounds that you might not need), our grievous wounds item comes online later and is worse, no health from damage item anymore, our "build up a charge to do burst" items are much worse, our slow item is worse, we have no "shield enemy damage when at low health" item least of all one that can be built early.

What item do we have thats better than an AD one? Zhonyas arguably, and maybe Liandries since I dont think ADs have an equivalent item, thats about it. Theres a reason why every AP build looks more or less the same, we have to scrape up the few items that are decent for us. The defining difference tends to be whether you build Archangels Staff or not.

We used to have a lot of strong AP exclusive items like Abyssal Scepter, DFG, Will of the Ancients, but they all got complained about so much they got removed.

Anime FizzFeb 4, 20194 votes

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im sorry, i agree with your base point, but mage items are the best items in the game? We have 1 armor item, 1 magres item, 1 pen item (2 if you count morellos, which wastes stat efficiency on grievous wounds that you might not need), our grievous wounds item comes online later and is worse, no health from damage item anymore, our "build up a charge to do burst" items are much worse, our slow item is worse, we have no "shield enemy damage when at low health" item least of all one that can be built early.

What item do we have thats better than an AD one? Zhonyas arguably, and maybe Liandries since I dont think ADs have an equivalent item, thats about it. Theres a reason why every AP build looks more or less the same, we have to scrape up the few items that are decent for us. The defining difference tends to be whether you build Archangels Staff or not.

item 3285 item 3020 item 3916 item 3135 item 3089 item 3157

AD champions wish they could have items this good.

Mage items are so op that even AP assassins have to abuse them to be viable.

BavalFeb 4, 20195 votes

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AD champions wish they could have items this good.

Mage items are so op that even AP assassins have to abuse them to be viable.

Im sorry, AD champions wish they could have Ludens? You had it first. item 3087 and its better item 3095

AD champions wish they could have pen boots? Thats the only flat pen item we have and also the only boots item we have.

AD champs wish they could have %pen? No you dont, because flat pen is better in almost every situation and you have a ton of those items.

AD champs wish they could have a stat multiplier item we never build? No you dont, because infinity Edge is a stat multiplier item you DO build.

Oblivion Orb is an incomplete item with 89% gold efficiency that builds into an item with only 92% gold efficiency! What!? And more than 33% of its stat value is in health!

The only one you said thats even remotely biased for APs is Zhonyas, which I mentioned and is also debatabley worse than Maw of Malmortius which comes online faster, doesnt disable you, and buffs you.

And im sorry, is your argument that AP assassins build AP items and that makes them OP?

OK well, "AD items are so op that even AD assassins have to abuse them to be viable."

3TWarriorFeb 5, 20192 votes

for anyone downvoting this person, You can almost entirely negate any flat magic pen with item 1033 and I believe that builds into item 3111 so you don't even waste an item slot

RalanrFeb 4, 20198 votes

Mage items are great for mages and assassins. For AP bruisers, not so much.

Bears Dont CareFeb 4, 20194 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anime Fizz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gxQeElPl,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-04T18:54:25.971+0000)

AD champions wish they could have items this good.

Mage items are so op that even AP assassins have to abuse them to be viable.

item 3147 item 3111 item 3134 item 3036 item 3026 item 3031

They don't need to wish, they already have items that are good. This whole mythology of Mage items being busted is ridiculous. People such as yourself are still complaining even after the reduction of AP as a whole, and the increase of base MR.

3TWarriorFeb 5, 20192 votes

item 3026 automatic, only happens when you die

item 3153 : 8% current health and can apply more than once per hit for up to 16% current hp unless there' an ability that counts more than one hit at once

they have their equivalents...and now two anti-burst items, woops, three antiburst items

BavalFeb 6, 20191 votes

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automatic, only happens when you die

: 8% current health and can apply more than once per hit for up to 16% current hp unless there' an ability that counts more than one hit at once

they have their equivalents...and now two anti-burst items, woops, three antiburst items

wow i didnt even know BoTRK did that. Its %damage is much stronger. Plus gives lifesteal and is more gold efficient. AND has an active. But yeah, AP items are sooooo busted. Poor ADs i feel for them i really do.

3TWarriorFeb 6, 20191 votes

I may need to look it up again, but it worked well on champions like Evelynn who could apply it rapidly and in quick succession. Renekton was another example, and he can apply it 3x in quick succession

what I was referring to though was the interaction with effects such as Rageblade that cause procs more than once

so after looking it up, evelynn has been changed but can still apply an on hit effect on her E, renekton can apply it 3x, but it says that it attacks them that many times, so it may be reduced in effectiveness because of it not applying all at once

makes me wonder how rageblade works on him. part of the fun though is thinking of various things and testing them out

After looking that up, Rageblade does not affect abilities that proc effects. guess it would be too powerful as you could apply 5x on renekton

Jerry SeinfeIdFeb 4, 20196 votes

the highest healing he'd get at lvl 1 on just his Kingslayer with grasp domination would be around 190. keep in mind he'd have to have runes dedicated to playing around his kingslayer as much as possible and a fully completed eyeball collection at lvl 1 somehow.

Honestly i don't think your team giving him like 2 pentas before the game even starts has to be what he's balanced around. but hey you got free updoots.

Sire HippingtonFeb 4, 20196 votes

So he has over 200AP at lvl 3? Well, most champs are OP under that circumstance.

Not saying sylas doesn't have his flaws, but so far i really have no issue with the heal. Now his Bullshit ult, that's another thing entierly...

14daysuspensionkFeb 4, 20191 votes

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So he has over 200AP at lvl 3? Well, most champs are OP under that circumstance.

Not saying sylas doesn't have his flaws, but so far i really have no issue with the heal. Now his Bullshit ult, that's another thing entierly...

His ult is basically reliant on the enemy team having OP ults.

Sire HippingtonFeb 5, 20191 votes

Cause there are so many weak ults in the game...especially when you can go AP heavy and convert ad ratios into AP.

xDogMeatxFeb 4, 20193 votes

he has a low winrate 40% so its balanced at least let him keep this heal in close combat. its so satisfying to gut punch a veigar mid lane to heal then he flashes quickly after i dark harvested him with q.

SillaeFeb 5, 20191 votes

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he has a low winrate 40% so its balanced at least let him keep this heal in close combat. its so satisfying to gut punch a veigar mid lane to heal then he flashes quickly after i dark harvested him with q.

... He was just released. Idiots are still trying to play him cause he's new and they probably saw someone 1v9. His true playerbase will reveal itself over time and show his true potential and weaknesses.

KFCeytronFeb 4, 20193 votes

You forgot to mention that Sylas also has a slow, a stun, and a knockup.

But his ult ranges anywhere from literally useless when facing Udyr or another Sylas to OP when facing an opponent with a strong ult that doesn't depend on kit synergy (Karthus, Soraka, Janna, TF, etc.). He's not balanceable.

WublerdudeFeb 4, 20191 votes

Hes fun af tho, have you played him?

KFCeytronFeb 4, 20194 votes

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Hes fun af tho, have you played him?

I don't doubt that a champion with three dashes, a shield, a heal, a slow, a stun, a knockup, and five different ults every game is very fun to play in terms of having so many bells and whistles to paw at, but he's still a cookie-cutter shirtless husbando with an overloaded and unbalanceable kit.

MoonscourgeFeb 6, 20191 votes

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I don't doubt that a champion with three dashes, a shield, a heal, a slow, a stun, a knockup, and five different ults every game is very fun to play in terms of having so many bells and whistles to paw at, but he's still a cookie-cutter shirtless husbando with an overloaded and unbalanceable kit.

He has one dash, a skillshot gap closer and a 0.5 second knockup. At least get your facts right. He is far from overloaded.

KFCeytronFeb 6, 20191 votes

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He has one dash, a skillshot gap closer and a 0.5 second knockup. At least get your facts right. He is far from overloaded.

Dash 1: "Kingslayer - ACTIVE: Sylas lunges at a target enemy..."

Dash 2: "Abscond / Abduct - FIRST CAST - ABSCOND: Sylas dashes forward..."

Dash 3: "Abscond / Abduct - SECOND CAST - ABDUCT: Sylas whips out his chains in the target direction, dealing magic damage and stunning the first enemy hit, pulling himself towards them..."

Shield: "Abscond / Abduct - FIRST CAST - ABSCOND: Sylas ... shields himself for 2 seconds."

Heal: "Kingslayer - ACTIVE: ... Against enemy champions, Sylas is healed, doubled if he's below 40% health."

Slow 1: "Chain Lash - ACTIVE: ... slowing enemies hit for 2 seconds. ..."

Slow 2, actually: "Chain Lash - ACTIVE: ... After a 0.5-seconds delay, ... slows enemies hit by 50% for 2 seconds."

Stun: "Abscond / Abduct - SECOND CAST - ABDUCT: Sylas whips out his chains in the target direction, dealing magic damage and stunning the first enemy hit,..."

Knockup: "Abscond / Abduct - SECOND CAST - ABDUCT: Sylas whips out his chains ... knocking them up for 0.5 seconds upon arrival."

Five ults: I don't think I need a quote for this one.

However, I will fully admit that I've been playing this overloaded abomination of a kit and enjoying the heck out of it (except when I steal Udyr's R which is NOT AN ULT, Riot...). I'm just not sure if he's worth buying when he'll almost certainly be gutted in a few weeks/months after revenue flattens. And, as I said, there's the fact that he's a cookie-cutter husbando, which Riot seems to enjoy cranking out these days.

DiscWizard1Feb 5, 20192 votes

a small, skillshot tiny weak slow, and a .75 stun/knockup, but yeah, lets complain about his cc.

Moody PFeb 4, 20192 votes

absolutely insane mechanics lad

I memba balance Feb 4, 20192 votes

Hmmmm it's almost like one is mana-gated and the other had this massive amount of built in sustain as a passive on a regular skill and this sustain wasn't at all reduced on minions before....interesting.

SuzukenFeb 4, 20192 votes

syals is trash. like seriously, but laning against him has to be the most tilting shit ever. It's very fucking annoying esp if they have aftershock

SyrileFeb 4, 20191 votes

Seems like a problem with mage items rather than Sylas? Mages are far from the problem with this game..

BârdFeb 4, 20191 votes

Yeah, that heal is one of the only things Sylas has going for him.

The guy does very little damage for a mage.

14daysuspensionkFeb 4, 20191 votes

Just had a Sylas in my game who was tolerable throughout most of the game, but near the end he literally started oneshotting me and somehow ended up with more kills than me, even though I was the fed one previously with Dark Harvest and all he had was fucking Electrocute with a full AP build. Oh well, we still won.

DiscWizard1Feb 5, 20191 votes

Electrocute does more damage that DH at every stage of the game until you have 40 stacks. Just sayin. And its Bonus AD ratio is better with the AP ratio Staying the same. As well as it being adaptive damage, if you were an AD champ his damage will always be better into late game due to to fact that all champs have better armor growth than MR growth. And armor is on more of the common items

14daysuspensionkFeb 5, 20191 votes

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Electrocute does more damage that DH at every stage of the game until you have 40 stacks. Just sayin. And its Bonus AD ratio is better with the AP ratio Staying the same. As well as it being adaptive damage, if you were an AD champ his damage will always be better into late game due to to fact that all champs have better armor growth than MR growth. And armor is on more of the common items

I often get close to 30 DH at the end of the game.

koshkyraFeb 4, 20191 votes

While this post is probably hyperbole his sustain is pretty ridiculous.

Anime FizzFeb 4, 20191 votes

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While this post is probably hyperbole his sustain is pretty ridiculous.

Sadly its not, i saw the green +270 text with my own eyes.

Granted, his W was probably rank 2 and it is combined with grasp healing and taste of blood/ravenous hunter, but its still completely abusrd.

SpongebobIsLifeFeb 4, 20191 votes

if he didn't have it, he'd be trash. Unlike ad bruisers, he being an ap bruiser, does not have any sustain he can optimally build. So, he has to get it in his kit. If he didn't have a significant heal, he'd be worse than he already is.