Its fun to watch TF blade losing lane to a silver player because the silver player picked TK

Anime Fizz·Jul 5, 2019·85 votes·22,353 views

top challenger tier player vs a silver playing smite TK top, guess who wins?

Its hilarious on how bad the balance is in top lane right now, champs that can be autopiloted that cannot lose lane, LOL.

The fact champions like TK, Neeko, Kennen, Karma havent been hotfixed already shows that nobody on the balance team plays top lane, those champs actually deserve to be nerfed into 40% win rates for what they have been doing to top lane for the last few months, and riot obviously takes forever to fix the issue.

And no riot, making renekton delete shields for free is NOT the solution to this, in fact you're creating ANOTHER problem.

153 Comments

Pika FoxJul 5, 201924 votes

Or TF Blade played like shit. Or the silver player was a smurf.

Blaming the champion is some kind of next level deflection bullshit.

SEKAIJul 5, 201920 votes

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Or TF Blade played like shit. Or the silver player was a smurf.

Blaming the champion is some kind of next level deflection bullshit.

Still, top lane's balance is down the stinker (or should I say it was never out of it, just deeper into it with every patch) so it's not like blaming the champ is at wrong here.

we havent metJul 5, 20199 votes

Or tahm kench is really just broken. God forbid its ever poor balancing

Pika FoxJul 5, 20193 votes

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Or tahm kench is really just broken. God forbid its ever poor balancing

Hes really not. No amount of broken would make it so a high tier player loses to a low tier player. The person played like ass and someone else is making excuses.

we havent metJul 6, 201910 votes

he had literally no lane counters lol. No amount of skill can just beat raw "too strong" stats

SuicidePlankJul 5, 201914 votes

Yup, Top is a shithole. But I am proud of it, since it is my shit hole.

VentusKingJul 5, 201953 votes

You play GP whos right up there with tk karma and kennen lmao

EedatJul 5, 20199 votes

No he's not lol. GP has a legitimate trash early game unlike the others who are lane bullies

2Charmnot2CharmJul 5, 201942 votes

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No he's not lol. GP has a legitimate trash early game unlike the others who are lane bullies

Grasp of the undying GP.

SuicidePlankJul 5, 201919 votes

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Grasp of the undying GP.

Wow, the 62 DMG Q early with a bit of Grasp DMG. Damn that must hurt. Let me tell you a secret, everyone he pokes with it can trade back with better poke or engage on him since he has no real cc and his 'escape' is running away, which doesn't work that well before Trinity. If you stay in his Q range and just chill, yes you will get poked out just like from everyone with ranged poke, even a Thresh will poke you out this way.

Every Meta Toplaner is better than GP, has a better early and can shit on GP. Renekton beats him easily. Darius beats him easily. Riven beats him easily. Akali beats him easily. Ryze beats him easily. Neeko beats him easily. Karma beats him easily. Jax beats him easily. Jayce beats him easily. Kennen beats him easily. Irelia beats him easily. Vladimir beats him easily. Vayne beats him easily. Aatrox beats him easily. Sylas beats him easily. Yorick beats him easily.

But if you think he is so OP, play him a few games and he won't feel like that. Or you know, be board people and watch hashinshin and rant together with him about a champ he does neither understand, nor play.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gangplankmains/comments/c9huqq/hashinshin_talks_more_shit_ok_gp_starts_at_140/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gangplankmains/comments/c6kn46/the_supertop_opens_our_eyes_regarding_gangplank/

To read other peoples comments on the BS he blabs in his stream.

For example here is one:

Ranged cheese isn't the best way to counter him. Matter of fact, champions like Yorick, Riven, Urgot, Yasuo, Xin Zhao completely obliterate GP in lane and completely dominate him in the sidelane.

He cannot spam heal in lane (that's just meme tier babyrage tho)

His "Grasp" spam can be countered quite easily, and I don't mean just by taking the runes second wind/revitalize with dorans/health beads/cloth. You can manipulate the wave by keeping casters alive and having them attack GP and go to the brush he's trying to run towards for deaggroing minions, AAing him in the process. He plays quite similarly to a Garen, only he has ranged poke.

His kegs require you to know the tick timers, and once that is known you just walk up and earn your 10g, as GP's early damage is a big meme.

Those "late game" carries that can nullify a weakness isn't because of their access to said runes. It's because Hashinshin plays way too aggressively in lane when he doesn't respect the jg, and doesn't work around his jg whatsoever. He's built up the persona of anti-jg so far up that nobody cares to help him, thus he gets annoyed and makes stupid mistakes in lane, costing him the lane and possibly the game. Believe me, those "late game" champs you speak of don't stand a chance in lane vs a competent player that understands the current meta.

Meteora707Jul 5, 20197 votes

tell me a melee top laner that beats grasp gp early :)

SuicidePlankJul 5, 20195 votes

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tell me a melee top laner that beats grasp gp early :)

Riven, Xin Xaoh, Rengar, Pantheon, Renekton, Sylas, Akali, Aatrox, Yorick, Jax, Jayce, Darius. Just read my list, lmao.

Meteora707Jul 5, 20193 votes

the fact that you listed jax kinda proves that you have no idea what you're talking about, out of these only pantheon is true anyways.

SuicidePlankJul 5, 20192 votes

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the fact that you listed jax kinda proves that you have no idea what you're talking about, out of these only pantheon is true anyways.

I have 1 Million Points on Gangplank and also were in the Top 4k of EUW on my main Account. So yeah, there is that.

Meteora707Jul 5, 20192 votes

My MaIN ACcoUNt this really just shows that you don't know how to lane as gp.

SuicidePlankJul 5, 20191 votes

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My MaIN ACcoUNt this really just shows that you don't know how to lane as gp.

https://imgur.com/a/SfRM7kv

Yes, my main Account.

Meteora707Jul 5, 20193 votes

oh you managed to score an S 5 times on gangplank? you must be truly an expert on the matter.

EedatJul 5, 20194 votes

I dunno I absolutely destroy him with Wukong. Freelo that shit isn't even close

SuicidePlankJul 5, 20193 votes

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I dunno I absolutely destroy him with Wukong. Freelo

Another counter I forgot, ye. Everything that can either stick to him, has better poke or just burst him since GP lacks something to defend himself from getting jumped on.

DGAGAAsharpAGDJul 5, 20194 votes

Expect kegs and W, other than that, nothing to defend himself, oh yeah, true dmg burn...

SuicidePlankJul 5, 20193 votes

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Expect kegs and W, other than that, nothing to defend himself, oh yeah, true dmg burn...

Nothing to prevent an Irelia to Q on me, nothing to prevent Darius from hooking, Renekton dashing at me, Riven closing the Gap etc. Calling his Kegs means of defense is just r%%%%%ed.

GayFluffyUnicornJul 5, 20193 votes

Letting darius hook you or renekton dash on you is on the GP player and not on the darius/renek player.

SuicidePlankJul 5, 20191 votes

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Letting darius hook you or renekton dash on you is on the GP player and not on the darius/renek player.

Darius hook is an instant cast with 550 Range. GPs Q is 550 Range and requires you to stand still. Make your guess what happens, oh, can't complain about GP Q spamming now. :o

Moody PJul 5, 20196 votes

Darius hook is delayed and 535 range

crippler38Jul 6, 20193 votes

Won't Dar be able to close that decently enough with Phage or boots? Or with Ghost since most Darius players run that anyway?

Meteora707Jul 5, 20194 votes

I'm assuming the gps are running wrong runes then because he shits on wukong

EedatJul 5, 20193 votes

No he doesn't. Wukong absolutely destroys GP. Even listed on op.gg as GP's second hardest counter lol

Meteora707Jul 5, 20193 votes

this argument would assume that plat+ gps are decent at the game, which is absolutely not the case.

EedatJul 5, 20193 votes

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/counter/MonkeyKing/

Wukong 58% winrate against GP in Diamond+

https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/EUW1/21709144?champion=62

https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/EUW1/21709144?champion=41

But hey, I guess with your exactly zero games as GP or Wukong ever you know exactly how the matchup goes

Meteora707Jul 5, 20193 votes

Wukong 58% winrate against GP in Diamond+

this would assume that d4 gps are decent at the game, which again is absolutely not the case :)

EedatJul 5, 20193 votes

I don't understand how a bronze player can Diamond players are bad.

SuicidePlankJul 5, 20192 votes

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Literal bronze player saying Diamond players are bad. K.

Boards people gotta be boards people. BuT dIaMoNd fOuR bAd.

SEKAIJul 5, 201911 votes

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Wow, the 62 DMG Q early with a bit of Grasp DMG. Damn that must hurt. Let me tell you a secret, everyone he pokes with it can trade back with better poke or engage on him since he has no real cc and his 'escape' is running away, which doesn't work that well before Trinity. If you stay in his Q range and just chill, yes you will get poked out just like from everyone with ranged poke, even a Thresh will poke you out this way.

Every Meta Toplaner is better than GP, has a better early and can shit on GP. Renekton beats him easily. Darius beats him easily. Riven beats him easily. Akali beats him easily. Ryze beats him easily. Neeko beats him easily. Karma beats him easily. Jax beats him easily. Jayce beats him easily. Kennen beats him easily. Ireliabeats him easily. Vladimir beats him easily. Vayne beats him easily. Aatrox beats him easily. Sylas beats him easily.

According to OPGG,

http://na.op.gg/champion/gangplank/statistics/top (click the "Counters" tab yourself, there is no url difference on different tabs on the page)

This guy is mostly on point about GP losing to most top lane matchups.

Though GP beats Jax in lane, not the other way around according to OPGG.

SuicidePlankJul 5, 20195 votes

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According to OPGG,

http://na.op.gg/champion/gangplank/statistics/top

This guy is mostly on point about GP losing to most top lane matchups.

Thanks, atleast one person trys to think. GP has a 49% WR, how can people be serious that he 'dominates' Toplane?

Though GP beats Jax, not the other way around according to OPGG.

Kinda, but as a Korean GP Onetrick stated, Jax can beat GP with two Items, even when GP has 6. Also a smart Jax can cheese with his LVL 1 and bully him out of lane early on, while also just jumping on GP, since he can't really CC or dash away from Jax and stop him from AAing you. Since Riot made GPs Q having a travel time and also a cast time, you can't contest barrels on which Jax can jump and instant defuse (just like Katarina).

Jax loses till he gets LVLs and Items. Once he has Trinity (and maybe Spear) GP will never beat him, since both his passive proc and his Q is negated, while also lowering the DMG of his barrels significantly.

SEKAIJul 5, 20193 votes

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Kinda, but as a Korean GP Onetrick stated, Jax can beat GP with two Items, even when GP has 6. Also a smart Jax can cheese with his LVL 1 and bully him out of lane early on, while also just jumping on GP, since he can't really CC or dash away from Jax and stop him from AAing you. Since Riot made GPs Q having a travel time and also a cast time, you can't contest barrels on which Jax can jump and instant defuse (just like Katarina).

Jax loses till he gets LVLs and Items. Once he has Trinity (and maybe Spear) GP will never beat him, since both his passive proc and his Q is negated, while also lowering the DMG of his barrels significantly.

That makes sense. After all, despite having a lane kill rate lead, tower lead, KP lead, etc (the lead can be pretty big such as the lane kill rate lead being 11% margin) GP has lower game win rate against Jax by a margin of 3%. It's indicative of a case of "damn I got outscaled so win lane lose game I guess" in GP vs Jax.

SuicidePlankJul 5, 20193 votes

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That makes sense. After all, despite having a lane kill lead, tower lead, KP lead, etc GP has lower game win rate against Jax by a margin of 3%. It's indicative of a case of "damn I got outscaled so win lane lose game I guess" in GP vs Jax.

Yup, every game there comes the point where you simply can't deny Jax anymore, kinda like Nasus. I had several games myself where I stomped Top, got T1 and T2, made Jax tilt and go 0/4, he will get his Items and destroy me. Also it is funny how a lot of people whine about GP dominating Jax with Grasp, but a halfway decent GP can even do it with Klepto/Fleet/Comet. But when he has his Items and damn sure he will, you stay near your tower and you get jumped on and there won't be a thing you can do.

I don't say GP isn't annoying, but he is more like a mosquito in lane, he stings a bit, but you can just slap him.

mack9112Jul 6, 20192 votes

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Yup, every game there comes the point where you simply can't deny Jax anymore, kinda like Nasus. I had several games myself where I stomped Top, got T1 and T2, made Jax tilt and go 0/4, he will get his Items and destroy me. Also it is funny how a lot of people whine about GP dominating Jax with Grasp, but a halfway decent GP can even do it with Klepto/Fleet/Comet. But when he has his Items and damn sure he will, you stay near your tower and you get jumped on and there won't be a thing you can do.

I don't say GP isn't annoying, but he is more like a mosquito in lane, he stings a bit, but you can just slap him.

Hun these are the boards no amount of facts will make you correct sadly.

SuicidePlankJul 6, 20194 votes

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Hun these are the boards no amount of facts will make you correct sadly.

I have a nice picture, which sums GP up very good. https://i.redd.it/h43hppq80k831.jpg

mack9112Jul 6, 20192 votes

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I have a nice picture, which sums GP up very good. https://i.redd.it/h43hppq80k831.jpg

Take my upvote

HommeGoujonJul 5, 20195 votes

Not to be picky but on that link, it says GP's WR is 51.61%, not 49%. And 52.87% WR vs Renekton. Playing Renekton vs GP is not fun at all. It's not the worst but I place this matchup into my "toxic" matchup list (personal opinion).

That's all :)

SuicidePlankJul 5, 20191 votes

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Not to be picky but on that link, it says GP's WR is 51.61%, not 49%. And 52.87% WR vs Renekton. Playing Renekton vs GP is not fun at all. It's not the worst but I place this matchup into my "toxic" matchup list (personal opinion).

That's all :)

I use u.gg and not op.gg since the first one is more reliable. Also you refer to overall WR, Renekton can roflstomp Gangplank, as I usually do. It is not that fun, but getting a Kill everytime he goes for Q makes it worth it.

HopeStartsWithUJul 5, 20192 votes

The problem with GP is the same as Kayle: His early is insanely trash and he is easily beaten BUT if you know your champ (GP) and have the right combination with runes (sustain, graps etc) you can go EVEN with every enemy. GP may be trash but he has the capability to make a lane very uninteractive. But definitly not at Karma/Kench level

VentusKingJul 6, 20194 votes

His early is trash? My guy he spams barrels and Q on CD with no mana costs at all which sends you back to base after 3 Qs. Where is his early game bad?

HopeStartsWithUJul 6, 20193 votes

No mana costs? Bruh, orange and Q eat his mana which is why he is so dependant on klepto and pots. Early lane bullies like Riven and Rene destroy him. His early compared to other toplaners IS bad.

And if you get hit by early barrel then don't play toplane anymore. His barrels are trash pre 7, even setting those barrels up is hard work because not a single smart toplaner would even allow GP to trigger his combo.

There is so much cancer on top like Tahm Kench, Urgot, Kennen, Karma, Quinn, Pantheon, Riven, Renekton and you say GPs early is fine? Sorry bro, but GP really isn't a problem here.

VentusKingJul 6, 20194 votes

If you actually have mana costs on GP your doing something horribly wrong lmao. He gets soo much free mana from Biscuits Corrupting potion and sometimes even manaflowband that he literally never runs out of mana.

VentusKingJul 6, 20194 votes

He still has to low mana costs. the fact that his costs go down for leveling Q is bs if not they should go higher.

HopeStartsWithUJul 6, 20192 votes

80 mana on W is low I guess. 60 mana on a poking ability is fine I guess.

Z3SleeperJul 7, 20191 votes

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No mana costs? Bruh, orange and Q eat his mana which is why he is so dependant on klepto and pots.

Alright are we talking about GP at a high level or at a low level?

Cuz high level GP's don't run Klepto, they run Grasp unless it's an easy as hell matchup and they want Klepto stuff.

If he doesn't use W, he can use his Q a total of ~11 times when used spammingly at levels 1-4 and he really has no reason to use W since he also runs Revitalize, Corrupting, Biscuits and Bone Plating all for DR/Healing. Unless he's being all-inned, which means the opponent is getting hit with a barrel (which costs no mana) and his passive too.

Purely from his Q alone, he can dish out 990 physical damage +44% of his maximum health magic damage from a safe distance over 55 seconds. Tell me who can outsustain that. This isn't even including barrel damage.

And once he backs? Well now he has 350 extra mana from Sheen and rank 3 Q that deals more damage, is proccing Sheen and now costs 10 less mana. Have fun.

HopeStartsWithUJul 7, 20192 votes

And thats assuming the ideal laning phase with the enemy toplaner doing nothing. Sustain, hp per 5 secs, enemy having also some sustain runes + armor, enemy actually stopping the barrels and punishing GPs barrel CD once he uses 3 barrels.

https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/41

High elos do pick klepto but they are FORCED to pick grasps simply because of how toplane works. Counter or get countered. GP doesn't have any major matchups that he stomps, unlike any other toplaner.

He is uninteractive because one barrel behind his back is always his escape but he is not "OP" or his poke "too strong." He literally only farms and hopes for the enemy to start some random shit that will backfire badly.

A Renekton will heal up with Q and all in him and will force the GP to use W. Riven can block major damage with her E and dash out of barrels with ease. Quinn/Kennen/Jayce/Karma can destroy barrels easily thanks to their range. Irelia/Yasuo can dash out if they watch the minions carefully. Tahm Kench will literally tank every single shit he does but that applies to almost every enemy TK faces.

He will either poke you and has to go melee to farm or he will use his Q to farm/poke and will lose his mana quickly.

Your math is nice but it won't apply to real life situations, especially not when GP uses his Q to farm once in a while since he can't just risk it all and go for the melee kills.

LordGeovanniJul 6, 20195 votes

thing is those winrates can only do that track winrates. GP doesnt lose lane versus these champions he pokes them out of lane most of the time he loses games to these champions because those champions transition into the front line their team needs while Gp builds full ad and only uses his Q most of the game which later in the game leads to him being burst because he cant leverage the same cheese he did in lane versus mages and adcs who are also broken.