Why it think shyvana can't be strong unless renekton level constant buffs

d4rkshock··6 votes·1,231 views

I was a shyvana main. I still play her in ranked for fun since I enjoy her but she isn't optimal. She is one of the successful degenerate champions. That doesn't mean they are good or bad. It means it limits what they can do with new champions and items since they have to account for them. Take sorraka for example. She is one of the worst offenders of a degenerate champion since she renders tradding pointless and is frustrating to play against. Riot has come out and said she's impossible to balance just like rengar. The reason shyvana is a degenerate champion when riot wants farm jg's to be good, this also includes shyvana. They have to make sure it's not going to cause udyr, shyvana, or yi to break the game. Shyvana has a highly balanced kit. She will stay at a 50% until divers get reworked. Nocturne suffers from the same thing. Successful degenerate champion with a super balanced kit. When he's strong, he terrorises carries. Also sitting at a 50%. Udyr and yi are still annoying in low elo. Shyvana can do the same shit as udyr but doesn't have as bad of a name since there are so many trick2g fanboys and she has no cc. She's basically diver udyr. Her clears are just as fast and can splitpush really good. Remember what happened when sated devour came out??? Everyone flipped a shit about shyvana and yi. Shyvana was being banned. I heard people saying she's a nasty jg. Tried her for my self as a shyvana main and I thought to myself fair and balanced after snowballing extremely hard just by constantly diving. Same thing happened with yi but he was already a common ban before that. Basically if they have a balanced kit, they release somthing that highly favors it, it shoots up in power. They buff the wrong stuff on shyvana. Riot seems to want her to be good but not broken. Now let's disscuss her play style. Shyvana is the textbook definition of a power farm jg. She can't gank until 6 without exhaust or blue smite. Even then she has shit ganks pre6. That's how all divers are like nocturne, ww, and yi. She is also a bruiser. The thing about shyvana that is detrimental to this kind of play style is she's feast or famine. The problem with that is she has a hard time with early kills so she needs to afk farm and beat the other jg. If it's someone who can deny alot of farm, shyvana can't do shit. If yi can keep up, he just stomps and she is pretty much the only one who can duel him to death since shyvana is an amazing duelist. Top doesn't work any better. It's worse. She shoves with w. Her e does crap damage. That's half her kit gone still the same diver bruiser. She's just in a weird spot where if she doesn't get touched up every few patches, she will become underpowered. It's at the point where she came revive major buffs unless riot wants a combine harvester with rocket boosters and lasers powered by a bazillion script kiddies taking Evey camp before her side can respawn 1 camp and set the jg on fire because smokey the bear. They also don't want another udyr. I'm surprised trick hasn't really played shyvana on a stream as a way to do somthing different since she is similar to udyr but no cc. Udyr takes towers so quickly and so does shyvana. She has never been popular. I haven't even seen her alot last time she was getting bans. Saw like 1 or 2 shyvana bans and 1 or 2 shyvana picks. In conclusion, shyvana is too balanced to be strong. They fiddle around with her but none of the changes fix anything. Someday she will have her days in the spotlight but now is not the time. I still can make her work though.

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ABlueQuaker2 votes

My biggest issue is that Hecarim's ult literally makes him unstoppable and Shyvanna's gets cancelled by a mild breeze.

Axhliay1 votes

At least 50% of my games ever are as Shyvana. She's not exactly the best at anything, but its just fun playing her. Not mechanically intensive, doesn't give me wrist pain playing her on end, and can carry if done right.

But she's not #LCSflashyplays, and that's why shes in the state that shes in. Rene VS Shy top, Mundo VS Shy top. Boring as hell to watch in the LCS.

She needs a rioter that really enjoys playing her to plan her out and give her the buffs bugfixes that she needs

#ShyvanaforCCimmunity2016

d4rkshock1 votes

I have first hand experience with shyvana top from when I first started in late season 4 pre season 5. It was during October of 2014. I panic picked shyvana top and it worked consistently in normal games and of course bots since everything works in bots. Then she just didn't work for me anymore. The best way I can describe shyvana top is poke lane press e for 20 min. I'd imagine borring to watch. Also her ult is spaghetti code like rengar's E-bola. No wonder why since it's from Africa where there's nothing but debt.

Spoofghoul1 votes

those champions are also way too simple imho

they scale with aa's thats it

no real hard mechanics or anything just right click till somebody drops gets incredibly hard to find counterplay to when its strong especially because the rest of the kit is either centered around actually being able to get enough farm and having defense/mobility to actually be able to rightclick

if any of these components gets too strong these champions become bullshit to deal with, too fast clearspeed? gets massive gold & xp lead, bullies other jungler out fo the game takes all neutrals aswell

Too much power in aa's like devourer get abominations like tank yi you can't run away from you can't duel, and you cannot kill them only option is to win game in 20 minutes or less

Too much mobility they will only fight on their terms and you can't really do anything to them because they run if problems arise if not and they win you can't ever really disengage them

If their defense is too broken get abominations like tank yi, pretty much the other end of their dps being to strong because of items and such.

And yes i consider champs like nocturne, akali, yi, shyvana, udyr, tryndamere & irelia and so on to be melee carries they all have very similar low counterplay kits whcih involve mostly point and click whos only skill requirement is right click something the rest comes from gameknowledge which is a general skill which applies to all champions

I really wish riot would take a good look at sion for example and realize how a melee champion can have a good deal of power without needing bullshit mechanics to function.

Honestly i think the whole melee carry concept is outdated the way it currently exists and should be overhauled, more skillshot and timing sensitive abilities etc rather then ima point at you then rightclick i win kits because these can never be truly balanced

Kaioko1 votes

She's very item dependent and like most champions who are, one item can easily make her over or under powered. It's unfortunate but that's just how the game works which is why balancing her will always be tricky. She retains amazing clear in her kit to get that item, how good the item is affects in turn how good she is.

Also for future reference, please separate your post into paragraphs. It was very hard to read.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

stat ball champions like Jax Warwick Shyvana Udyr XinZhao and more feel awful to play nowdays. they all need rework. they all can pretty much use every stat in the game they don't have much of any unique purpose or much of anything outside one thing that they can do to you.

Rain NT1 votes

I say Jax is pretty fun. Udyr is fun too but need a change so his level up doesnt feel so wanky compare to the rest of the champions.

Forhonor3211 votes

Overall I have to agree with this. Shyvana just feels in a very odd place right now mostly because I feel Riot doesn't have any clue what to due with her like many other older champions. The worst part about this is that she's technically my main still but even with that I don't really find myself playing her that often and when I do I just feel like I could've picked someone far better, something that I really don't want to feel when starting a game or even after winning a game. In fact I even made a post about how I feel she should just get a full rework just due to the position she's in. I'm not going to go full in depth about the post but I will say that it does address some of the things that you brought up here.

In short, with all the band aiding that Riot's been doing lately I feel like they should at least give one to Shyv taht actually feels meaningful. Like for example give her bonus health when she ults. She turns into a dragon for crying out loud. Gnar transforms and he gains health. Renekton gets more health when he ults. Why not Shyvana? Or even better why not make her ult unstoppable? That's one fix that I really want to see Riot bring to her.

Cyromo1 votes

Her ult can set up combos and can be an escape.

Sohleks1 votes

Shyvana is bleh cause they harshly nerfed her. She was doing pretty well. But that was BEFORE they heavily nerfed some of the items she was abusing. Shyvana wasn't the problem. So yeah that's why she's icky now.

Hecarim is cool though don't worry ;p ~ Basically the same champion but stickier & more reliable burst.

d4rkshock1 votes

Probably my longest thread. I'm still getting comments somehow after 1 week. I actually know how to make shyvana work. Farm untill end of landing phase and steal camps. You can go for some cheese ganks sometimes but it isn't as reliable as farming. I don't have hecrim or udyr. Never played them. Shyvana from what I'm hearing is hecrim and udyr thrown together in a blender.

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