"Why are they nerfing Spirit Visage?!"

Eedat·May 10, 2017·35 votes·2,204 views

Are people aware that as it is currently is 120% gold efficient from stats alone which makes it one of the single most efficient stat sticks in the game? Thats not even factoring in it's passive which is VERY strong.

"Just increase the price!"

Where were you people when Riot was saying FOR MONTHS that they were going to be removing stats from tank items so squishies didnt pick them up and then compensating with base stat changes and other forms of survivability? Are we just going to conveniently ignore that while taking all the other benefits?

"It will be losing regen when completing from !"

Wrong. Here's the actual math:

: 100% (base) + 150% (passive) = 250%

: (100% (base) + 100%) x 1.3 (increased healing passive) = 260%

And thats 260% at all times mind you, as opposed to the situational regen from Cowl

Gee, I wonder why they're nerfing it. Makes no sense right?

27 Comments

Big LincolnMay 10, 201717 votes

Isn't that regen the same amount it had before the tank update, anyway? That's more than fair enough to me; especially factoring in how beneficial it is to champs with in-built sustain or bruisers who build lifesteal.

"Just increase the price!"

i think this is valid; it makes my blood boil when tank items get nerfed and then Riot just lowers the cost. item 3110 rest in piece

AvienalMay 10, 20175 votes

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Isn't that regen the same amount it had before the tank update, anyway? That's more than fair enough to me; especially factoring in how beneficial it is to champs with in-built sustain or bruisers who build lifesteal.

i think this is valid; it makes my blood boil when tank items get nerfed and then Riot just lowers the cost. rest in piece

Does not help when other particular items keep getting off scott free whether they just have a effect that makes them such ridiculous spikers or they itemize it in ways that just flat out makes the champion broken.

Good examples being item 3153 being the new item of choice for 'alot' of ADCs, item 3078 being the dicker weapon for champions especially like Yorick being such a lane bully thanks to it and still get the tankie which LeeSin and Hecarim have been doing the same since item 1401 or item 1409 lets them be impossible to deal with kind of champs.

I'm at least SOMEWHAT happy that they dropped a full 6% stack of armor shred on item 3071 but i don't think its going to stop Lucian and some other ADCs to just devour the item since it makes 'bully rapid hitting ADCs' like Draven Lucian and MissFortune get the beef to EZ thru trades and the CD to just poke harass you before they all in you. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Thin AirMay 10, 201712 votes

Yorick isn't a lane bully because of Triforce... You're acting like it's a cheap item that you get early in the game. It's one of the most expensive items in the game. Most games you're not laning anymore by the time he has it. Don't act like that's the reason why he's a lane bully, because he isn't. That's a joke.

MuffledGarbageMay 10, 20176 votes

there's no possible way you've played Yorick and legitimately think that he is a lane bully thanks to item 3078 ... by the time he enters lane while minions are spawning, he's a lane bully.

As Soon as Yorick gets 3/4 graves and hits level 2...

he's a lane bully from that second onward.

MunchCrunchLunchMay 11, 20171 votes

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there's no possible way you've played and legitimately think that he is a lane bully thanks to ... by the time he enters lane while minions are spawning, he's a lane bully.

As Soon as gets 3/4 graves and hits level 2...

he's a lane bully from that second onward.

pretty much. hes a lane bully because pf passive and E that lets him poke you down so hard from range. also he scales well in 1v1s. and is strong in 1v1s. also his Q hurts like a fucking truck and his sustain is decent. thats why yorick minions die so easily. if they didn't he'd be a fucking broken nightmare. because they do way more damage than malzahar voidlings.

MuffledGarbageMay 12, 20171 votes

Q doesn't hurt until item 3057 at MINIMUM has been bought... and even then it leaves poor Yorick open to Quinn and Vayne tops. I will admit that Quinn and Vayne haven't been a common toplaner for a VERY long time but the chance is still there.

MunchCrunchLunchMay 12, 20171 votes

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Q doesn't hurt until at MINIMUM has been bought... and even then it leaves poor open to and tops. I will admit that and haven't been a common toplaner for a VERY long time but the chance is still there.

i never said hes op. but he isn't weak. hes a good pick and a classic juggernaut. but his starts are obvious and can be dealt with in team fights.

EedatMay 10, 20174 votes

Where were you people when Riot was saying FOR MONTHS that they were going to be removing stats from tank items so squishies didnt pick them up and then compensating with base stat changes and other forms of survivability? Are we just going to conveniently ignore that while taking all the other benefits?

I mean did you read that part or ignore it?

Big LincolnMay 10, 201720 votes

They didn't go through with that; no base stats have been given back to tanks, and the HP-resist conversion we got leaves us less tanky than before

so tanks are just flatly worse at every stage of the game now, not to mention Sunfire being absolute garbage which makes it hard for some of them to push or farm

hhaavviikkMay 10, 201715 votes

satan forbid we give tanks a gold efficient item

EedatMay 10, 201711 votes

yeah 120% efficient no problems here. People bitch about item 3165 all the time and even that is at 112%. item 3065 even has a better passive but eff it lets just increase it to 130% right? Because there obviously isnt a line between efficient and too efficient right?

ArhkadianMay 10, 20179 votes

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yeah 120% efficient no problems here. People bitch about all the time and even that is at 112%. even has a better passive but eff it lets just increase it to 130% right? Because there obviously isnt a line between efficient and too efficient right?

I wouldn't be suprised if item 3165 got completely gutted. They seem to like nerfing ap items.

Voluug13May 10, 20172 votes

Its used by Ahri so it wont be nerfed.

ModAcademy KaynMay 10, 20171 votes

It's used by half the mage roster?

Voluug13May 12, 20171 votes

So was the the old item 3174 yet they gave zero fucks when nerfing it.

GrReaper96May 11, 20173 votes

NEW: item 3165 can only be bought by female Vastayans now

Champion SkinMay 10, 20176 votes

Well 31% of item 3065 120% gold efficiency is in health regen... which is good for sustain yes (well depends on how good your champions base HP regen is) but doesn't really do all that much in all out fights

If you made an item which was 200% gold efficient but the item only gave HP regen it still probably wouldn't be great (it might not even be that good even if it was 300% gold efficient but then it might be kind of good for sustain for a split pusher or something... kind of like warmogs?)

Asayake 5150glowMay 10, 20179 votes

{quoted} Where were you people when Riot was saying FOR MONTHS that they were going to be removing stats from tank items so squishies didnt pick them up and then compensating with base stat changes and other forms of survivability? Are we just going to conveniently ignore that while taking all the other benefits?

Uh, except they never actually buffed the base stats of tanks, barring Sejuani's passive...

nice tableMay 10, 20176 votes

but hextech gunblade is even more gold efficient and i would argue the active on it is more valuable than the healing passive :^)

EDIT: oh yeah nashorsh tooth is also 140% gold efficient fyi

PeepingPeafowlMay 10, 20176 votes

{quoted} Where were you people when Riot was saying FOR MONTHS that they were going to be removing stats from tank items so squishies didnt pick them up and then compensating with base stat changes and other forms of survivability? Are we just going to conveniently ignore that while taking all the other benefits?

They said they tried that and didn't like that tanks started building damage while still being tanky in playtests.