Any and maybe all ap junglers can't do anything or any damage. At least blue buff gave them ap for some ganks. Gragas, elise, nidalee, fiddle, amumu can't be played and the more you keep buffing them they will eventually become super monsters the second you change jungle again.
Eedat2 votesBut it was broken on AP mids. Considering mages still dominate after the change, it really didn't make much of a difference
The champions you listed also aren't in the spot they are because of the blue buff changes. They've either been directly nerfed many times or the overall jungle changes don't favor them. For example, Fiddle got hurt because his clear is horrendous in the new jungle. Not because they removed the AP from blue buff
SNSD Sunnny1 votesThe only mistake there was not also nerfing red buff since red buff is just straight up better on everybody than blue buff.
Teemodanegro1 votesLets put down all the mistakes of jungle rework.
-Minions taken away from red / blue buff. -minions added to chickens and golems -smites effect on certain camps -purple smite taken away
Rock MD1 votesUh... 15% AP is like 2-3 AP when junglers get blue pre-7.
Nite Owl II1 votesI agree. Blue buff is really shitty and doesn't improve the impact of gankers at all unless you're a jungle champ with really high cooldowns or a mana hog like amumu/fiddlesticks. Blue buff should have some sort of effect on spells like Red buff does for auto attacks.
Hey, this just came to me, what if Blue buff gave SPELL VAMP on top of the other stats? That would make jungle a interesting choice for all characters even ones without resources. I mean Riot has already told us they want to do away with spell vamp but keep it in a way that's healthy to strategic play, wouldn't that be an awesome trade off? You can get spell vamp from jungle but if you don't use it to farm you won't get as many clears and that way teams can't just stack spell vamp to out sustain team fights
That would be fucking awesome..
Escheton1 votesBlue buff should give a flat +5-10-15Ap capping out at lvl 8 or so. It wasn't that blue buff gave ap that was the problem. It was that it gave %ap, So people like Nightblue just went and stomped with 1000+ ap endgame because lolwhynot.
TheHappyReaperz1 votesEh, AP junglers really only used the blue buff for early game mana sustain. Then you just gave it to the mid laner, as they could use the %AP much more effectively.
