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Does anyone feel outplayed when killed by a LeBlanc?

FastAsHeck·3/2/2016, 8:46:21 PM·195 votes·9,163 views

Because I sure as hell don't feel outplayed when I die from a point-click Q-R-W after beating her in lane and having 50% more cs.

I don't want to make a discussion about her balance state, I want to make a discussion about her toxicity. Her entire kit is incredibly toxic. Again,** not OP, but toxic**.

I noticed that I am not mad at all when killed by many of the newest champions, and most times I think "I screwed up" or "damn that was a good play by him" and I think RIOT has done an excellent job giving us clear counterplay to them. Then there is LeBlanc (and others, let's not discriminate) who just stat checks you all game long, and causes nothing but frustration to her opponents. Even when you kill her, you gain only a small bit of satisfaction knowing that it will only stop her for less than a minute, after which she'll be back to killing you every time you dare look at her in the wrong way. I'm not trying to say she should stop being such a good assassin (someone needs to keep the Kog'maws in check) but she just doesn't meet the current standards of the game.

I want to hear your opinions. Don't just upvote/downvote but leave a comment, this is a discussion and I want to know other people's point of view. Thanks for your time.

332 Comments

Tormentula3/2/2016, 8:48:55 PM48 votes

If you play LB, you'll see she's the complete opposite definition of easy to use. Actually her difficulty scares me from using her as I like low mechanic champs.

As tough as she may be to lane against, she's having a harder time actually pulling those moves off and I kinda respect LB players for this reason. It's not like she's a skillless slaughter machines like some other champs.

Ruin Lance3/2/2016, 8:49:52 PM20 votes

whenever i get killed by a leblanc i feel like i got cheesed. it's annoying getting poked down by her extremely easy to land and extremely hard to dodge q+w combo in lane. i don't know why there's a q+q+w combo either, it's extremely toxic. can't say i've been killed by a leblanc when she was behind though

EDIT: sorry i meant q+r+w

Nyhver3/2/2016, 8:50:43 PM14 votes

If she actually outplayed me, sure

Her kit along with any other champion that can outplay or have skill, (Draven in team fights, Vayne, Yasuo, Lee Sin, Zed, etc.) don't automatically outplay you when you die despite what a lot of people on reddit or in the community think

There's a large difference between someone making a misplay, play and outplay. A play is more or less something playing out, or even a standard play, like lee sin using Q to ward hop dragon's rage someone's mispostioning or punishing them getting hit by his Q, not really much of an outplay at all

Most of the champions boil down to a numbers game, whether you have the numbers to do something or not due to their linear or lack of outplay kits, while a lot of the time when you die to Leblanc or what have you, it's usually because you played it wrong and there wasn't any significant outplay, most of the time.

Wolfram Oxford3/2/2016, 8:55:39 PM12 votes

She has to get in close range to use her spells, and her combo is very readable. This makes her very lack luster in team fights unless you have a lot of cc on your team. Nautilus Thresh Amumu

Old Man Teeto3/3/2016, 2:35:59 AM6 votes

Sometimes.

When they use their W dash/blink to avoid abilities and properly chain -> chain for set ups for their jungler, yes.

However, her near instant delete burst post 15 minutes, no. She presses W -> Q -> R -> E and the initial chain hit tick damage kills you.

She doesn't even land the W, or the second half of her E and you die, if she does land those, you die without reaction.

It's similar to Lee Sin. Has huge potential for skillful play, only needs to use it when behind.

MunchCrunchLunch3/3/2016, 5:58:00 AM5 votes

yeah getting istagibbed with no time to react is certainly very fun (sarcasm). didn't rengar get nerfed because of this?

La Barbotte3/2/2016, 9:14:25 PM5 votes

Ahri i used to laugh at her bullshit while i outplayed her with E then juked her chains but riot said fk you ahri, .... (rant for the next 30 minutes)

InHaruhiWeTrust3/3/2016, 8:58:20 AM5 votes

compared to Veigar who kills you with one targeted ability that also scales with YOUR ap... yeah it feels like an outplay. despite what people who don't play her say, she is not easy to use and takes quite a bit of skill.

caIicko kitty3/3/2016, 1:16:29 AM4 votes

or how aboutAnnie ...

DeynaTaggerung3/3/2016, 11:27:47 PM3 votes

LeBlanc is rather strong during laning phase. But if all she's doing is Q-R-W then you should be able to kill her rather easily. It's so readable and that's what I rely on when I go into lane against a leblanc. So long as they're not a really good leblanc who knows how to use different combos to trick you out she can be read very easily. Stay out of q range and then predict her dash. You have to throw your cc right as she begins her dash so that it hits here right where she lands. Then throw down your burst and kite backwards. I dunno, I've always found this interaction to be really fun to play against because I'm constantly trying to mindgame them. So a successful leblanc is one that has learned their skill well enough to on the fly switch up their combo in an unpredictable way. A lot of leblancs don't do this so you should be able to stomp on them.

I would agree though that as a jhin mid lane there's really nothing you can do about it :/ except maybe some crazy trap placement. To fight a leblanc you need someone that has decent burst or high mobility as well some form of hard cc so you can land everything else. I feel annie would be remarkably good in this respect.

Also worth mentioning that if she falls behind to the point where she can't 100-0 people easily then she becomes more of a nuisance than a real threat.