I think Fiddles needs a rework.

Nucleophilic atk·Oct 8, 2014·3 votes·381 views

Mostly because his fear makes people run away from you.

Inb4 (still not sure why this saying is used, but I get the how of it) dumb dumbs jump in saying Fiddles doesn't need buffed, I am clearly not saying that. Also, he clearly doesn't need nerfed more with the amount of counter play to him.

Does anyone else think this? Just change the fear up. People that don't know what counter play is complained too much that it was too long, so now it is really short in most situations and makes people run away (have your opponent run away from your damage makes sense).

13 Comments

ILoveTiramisuOct 8, 20141 votes

I think he didnt need a rework. One of most funny champs in the game.

Nucleophilic atkOct 8, 20141 votes

I love playing with him :)

CrazyHollowOct 8, 20141 votes

No i like that they made it so the enemy runs away from you. It makes the most sense and is easier to kite since if they just ran towards you then fearing an uyder/yi would kind of be pointless. Basically the play is you ult in behind the enemy and fear them towards your ally. Your argument seems odd since u argue both for and against this...

Nucleophilic atkOct 8, 20141 votes

I am for a new rework, against the current one. So not really the same thing. Also, I understand the plays that it could make. These plays, however, are a lot less useful in most scenarios compared to the others.

CrazyHollowOct 8, 20141 votes

Are you trying to argue it would be better to have his fear make the enemy run towards you? This to me go against what fiddle wants to do. He is a squishy CC mage with dot. I get the point that his cc is short at early ranks but it still last 2.75 seconds at max which is pretty much the durration of his ult. Having it last longer and forcing the enemy to run into his damage would be a bit op. As a side note im not sure what other scenarios your trying to compare mine to.

Nucleophilic atkOct 8, 20141 votes

I thought the random thing fit him pretty good to be honest. Also, he does dot as you mentioned, so therefore, his damage is dropped as a result of that. Also, it lasts 2.25 seconds, not 2.75 which is not even half of his ult duration. Again, I am not saying it should last longer, or necessarily make them run into you. I was perfectly fine with the duration nerf, but the nerf that makes them run away is a bit silly in my opinion. I mean, with champs like Udyr that you mentioned, you fear them so they run away and take no damage, and then can turn around on you and kill you lol.

CrazyHollowOct 8, 20141 votes

I think part of the reasoning to make them run away from you is so that its easier to land other skill shots. For example if you gank mid and fear them your arhi can land a charm easier if she know the pathing rather then if its random. Your point about uydr is kind of valid but like i said earlier you should be trying to ult behind them to fear them into your team. In your situation it seem like you want to just walk up to them and force them to walk into you. This again doesnt fit with who fiddle is. He is supposed to pop out of nowhere and surprise you by fearing you from behind and forcing you into your team having it the other way offers no counter play you basically can just walk up to whoever fear them and hope they walk into your team.

Nucleophilic atkOct 8, 20141 votes

I agree with what you're saying here about forcing them into your team. Also, I am not saying just walk up to them because nobody that mains fiddles starts out a fight with fear anyway lol. I don't even use it in lane most of the time. You need a decent team that will listen in order to ult behind a carry and push them into to your team. I don't complain about ganking fiddles or team fight fiddles. All I'm saying is that lane fiddles took a big hit with the run away from you fear. I mean, it only last about 1.6 seconds and makes them run away from you.

CrazyHollowOct 9, 20141 votes

For the lane though you mostly use it to disengage so I still dont see why that should be changed. For example when a Katrina or Akalia jump on you, you fear them away from you not to let them just jump on you again after fear is over.

Nucleophilic atkOct 9, 20141 votes

As a Fid main, you never ever ever fear a Kat or Akali that jumps on you. You use E-W and watch them sit there taking damage while they figure out why they can't do anything. Also, I'm talking about surprise jumps from the bush in lane phase as well as bot lane tactics. I mean, the current fear is about the same as the old fear in terms of disengage.

CrazyHollowOct 9, 20141 votes

k i only play fiddle in the jungle so i have a different perspective.

Nucleophilic atkOct 9, 20141 votes

And I can see this, since Junglesticks wasn't really affected by the changes at all, which is a whole different can of worms. They wanted to nerf a champion with a high win rate, but didn't change is main role. Meanwhile, he is still OP bot lane because of his E, not fear, and still counters a lot of top lane opponents. Oh Rito....