Attack Damage or Life Steal quints?

PooWho·Aug 5, 2016·1 votes·1,474 views

What should I buy for my AD rune page? I'm saving up for a AD Off-Tank type of build and I need to know which would be better for adc.

And also while I'm here, can someone tell me what's the difference between a bruiser and a juggernaut? I remember in season 4 when Vi owned the rift for the longest time, she was a "bruiser". It seems to me like someone building tank items and damage items, to soak a lot and deal a lot of damage. And umm... that's all. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

7 Comments

NahuiAug 5, 20163 votes

AD quints. Life steal won't help you last hit or poke, only sustain, and not by a good enough margin to sacrifice the 7 or so AD you'll be missing per auto on an enemy/minion and like 4-5 damage or so per skill.

Life steal isn't significant until late game, and by then you'll have enough items that the small amount you get from quints is irrelevant. The early CS is what matters, so go AD quints.

Also, life steal does nothing for skills. So all around, you're weaker and lose trades so that'll negatively counterbalance the tiny bit of extra sustain you have.

Edit: Missed the second half of your post. A juggernaut is supposed to be a hulking, tank like sack of meat that's job is to lumber at the enemy and soak damage while also dealing enough damage to be a threat. Sion, garen, morde, Darius. Typically, they're very tanky and lumber at you taking damage and trying to break a carry. Supposed to be kite able, but should they get to you, they break you.

Vi, Olaf, xin Zhao are supposed to be bruisers. They typically have some sort of heavy engage and build tanky and some damage. They output a steady stream of damage, not too much burst, but not super tanky as well. Now yes, build them full damage and they burst, but that goes for any champ. They'll die quickly if built this way.

Hope that makes sense.

PooWhoAug 5, 20161 votes

Thanks for the response. Really helped me out a lot ;]

NahuiAug 5, 20161 votes

No problem, any other questions?

PooWhoAug 5, 20161 votes

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No problem, any other questions?

I don't go on boards much so I didn't see this, but no other questions.

DeathBurstAug 5, 20161 votes

Totally agree with Pojalsta on AD Quints.

His explanation about Bruisers vs Juggernauts isn't exactly right, though.

Sion is not a Juggernaut, he has CC and lock-down potential, he's more of a Tank. Juggernauts are defined by high durability and high damage but poor target selection and poor lock-down potential. And yes, they're supposed to be kiteable, but they should win the fight if they somehow managed to reach you.

Bruisers isn't an official term, it's only used informally on the boards to describe champions that are neither full tanks nor full damage dealers, and it's very vague and can cover many different champions according to the context. What Pojalsta described are actually Divers (called this way because they are supposed to use their heavy engage to "dive" on the back-line of the enemy team and lock-down their carries).

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 5, 20161 votes

there are two different type of ad rune pages you need. ones that are champs similar to Darius Garen Illaoi Olaf where flat ad marks and flat adc quints are fine.

but if you are playing a champ that is auto attacked based such as Caitlyn Ashe Draven Jinx you want flat ad reds, attack speed quints. because these champs are reliant on auto attacks andthat is the main source of their damage the higher attack speed you get with combination of ad increases their dps. also they are also crit based damage champs who build items like item 3031 if you can attack more quickly you have a higher chance to crit more often therefore your damage out put is increased

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 5, 20161 votes

also lifesteal is based of a % of the damage you do on a champ minus resistances. if you have no ad , no attack speed but you have lifesteal the amount you of hp you will get will be less. for example lets say you do 100 physical damage and you have item 1053 which gives 10% lifesteal. meaning for every 100 damage you do to the target you heal for 10 hp. now if you have item 3031 with the gives 70 ad (+50% bonus damage on crit) +10 ad from +10% life steal. and you crit meaning you will do 70+35(50%bonus damage on crit)+10 = 115 physical damage and you have 10% lifesteal will heal you for 15 hp.