If olaf is a juggernaut

Tychusfindlay919··1 votes·1,022 views

Why are pros building him pure tank? I think he may need a little scaling readjustments here and there to force at the very least a hydra. I don't think it's healthy for juggernauts to be building pure tank and getting away with it, with perhaps the exception of this clown (who sucks right now anyways) DrMundo

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EndlessSorcerer5 votes

Juggernaut is defined primarily by kit and playstyle, not build path.

Mundo and Volibear are both juggernauts who build full tank.

CerealBoxOfDoom4 votes

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If olaf is a juggernaut...

...Why are pros building him pure tank?

champion type is not dictated by build

MisterHealYoGirl2 votes

In terms of pro play, it's more dependent on the meta than anything else. Since ranged supports like Zyra, Karma, and Nami dominate the bot lane and top lane carries like Kennen, Rumble and Jayce have made a comeback, Olaf is usually one of the only tanks on the team, alongside maybe a Gnar or a Braum. In that context, the damage just isn't worth it on him if he's the only front liner.

There's a good deal of wiggle room in the subclasses; Olaf, Shyvana, and Mordekaiser are all juggernauts, but they build very differently and perform very different functions. Olaf isn't picked as a diver; he's chosen as a champion that's hard to pick off and harder to ignore. The best way for him to do that is to get as tanky as possible and just let his backline do the work.

Immortal spax1 votes

Juggernauts are mede ti build full tank a still do a lot of damage, their weakness is their mobility.

The real question is why he is so mobile and unkitable.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Only via his ult.

And his Q to an extent.

Immortal spax1 votes

Yea but the ult is in a such ridicolous cd that pretty much he is unkitable at every teamfight

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Well that's prob because he's a juggernaut but his ult gives him a distinct Diver flavor.

MohawkBird1 votes

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Immortal spax1 votes

So why he can build full tank and still does a lot of damage? Why does he have steroids on his kit?

MohawkBird1 votes

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Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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Juggernauts are meant to be easily kitable and Olaf simply doesn't fit that description due to his ult and spammable axes.

Riot calls him a juggernaut so your opinion on this matter is null and void.

Immortal spax2 votes

Exactly.

Boulderox1 votes

the reason Olaf is built full tank is because he is designed to use his free AD he gets from his ult, run at the adc, SURVIVE the onslaught from point a to adc and kill them with perma slow axes and true damage e, but as worlds has shown, he is very shitty late game, as he can't dive without dying, and more times than not late game ults just to survive...

Critmaster Garen1 votes

i think there was a discussion about olaf in specific. when riot defined the juggernaut class, they didnt consider olaf to be a juggernaut and classified him as a dive fighter more like vi, irelia or jax.

he doesnt have mobility like them, but he breaks the rule of the juggernaut class of being kitable. the combination of ghost/mobility items and 6 seconds cc immunity + speed boost is almost as good as a hard gap closer.

Penns1 votes

I feel like every juggernaut in the game kind of breaks that rule except for maybe Illaoi and Morde if he didnt build Rylais lol.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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I feel like every juggernaut in the game kind of breaks that rule.

wtf. and who exactly?

the most a juggernaut will have is a low movement speed boost. abilities like these still leave them kitable.

Penns1 votes

Well DMP alone makes it hard for immobile champs to get away from juggernauts unless they have hard cc or Rylais. Then theres stuff like Darius hook with standard adc range, slows, Skarner E, speed boosts like you said, and so on.

Critmaster Garen3 votes

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Well DMP alone makes it hard for immobile champs to get away from juggernauts unless they have hard cc or Rylais. Then theres stuff like Darius hook with standard adc range, slows, Skarner E, speed boosts like you said, and so on.

dead mans movement speed bonus falls off, when you auto attack your opponent.

its not an item that helps you to stick. its more of an item to be able to get in range when the enemy doesnt pay attention, or to follow up tank engages.

Penns1 votes

Yeah juggernauts usually just kill squishies with 1 combo mid game so being able to get in range with it is probably enough.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Yeah juggernauts usually just kill squishies with 1 combo mid game so being able to get in range with it is probably enough.

however the item follows the same rules as juggernauts themsleves. the movement speed rapidly falls off under cc.

while its a good item to roam and follow up engages, it is no reliable engage tool, nor does it even come close to direct target gapclosers.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

well they build him full tank being that he has high base damage and since he has to "dive in" and go ham to be a threat he will be focused and needs the tank stats to stay alive ...

Dabrick011 votes

He is able to build Tank as he has a bit of health scaling. He is meant to be a sustain tank. He sits there and swings his axes while providing a good slow. Hi's health scaling, attack speed, as well as some pretty nice lifesteal make for a great tank who deals a bit of dmg.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

dont his abilities or one of them cost him HP to use and scale with hp/ad for damage ?

Dabrick011 votes

Yes, his E cost scales a flat amount as well as with AD. Honestly, it is minimal as long as he does not build AD. It encourages him to build Tanky. He ends up just being this wall that deals damage due to his high base damage on his abilities as well as the huge amount of AS he gets from his passive and his W. He can also stay around a lot longer due to the Lifesteal from his W.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

But as it was played in worlds he was cinderhulk ans pure tank and he was used to dive at back line and not being full tank he would get focused down to easily so it was his tankyness that provided a threat and in effect peeled via diving back line forcing focus on him

Dabrick011 votes

Exactly.

What are you really trying to say.

I said that he could be build tank due to his high base dmg and survivability. His tankiness and his moderate dmg were a big threat in the lcs.

Swiftstrike41 votes

Olaf isn't a juggernaut. He is more of a duelist/fighter/diver.

Juggernauts are typically higher damage dealers that can build tank, still deal damage, and are kiteable.

As far as I know Nasus Garen Illaoi DrMundo Darius Volibear and for some reason Mordekaiser are all the juggernauts.

MonkeyKing Gnar Irelia Olaf Malphite etc. are fighters, divers, vanguards or whatever riot is calling them these days.

Maybe I am missing one or two juggernauts but I can't think of any others that fit that description.

Tychusfindlay9192 votes

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Olaf isn't a juggernaut. He is more of a duelist/fighter/diver.

Juggernauts are typically higher damage dealers that can build tank, still deal damage, and are kiteable.

As far as I know Nasus Garen Illaoi DrMundo Darius Volibear and for some reason Mordekaiser are all the juggernauts.

MonkeyKing Gnar Irelia Olaf Malphite etc. are fighters, divers, vanguards or whatever riot is calling them these days.

Maybe I am missing one or two juggernauts but I can't think of any others that fit that description.

According to riot, he is a juggernaut.

Pandemic Punch1 votes

You can build Twitch full tank and say that he is a tank. It still doesn't classify him as a tank. Twitch is still a marksman (Or marksrat for the politically correct bitches).

:)

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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You can build Twitch full tank and say that he is a tank. It still doesn't classify him as a tank. Twitch is still a marksman (Or marksrat for the politically correct bitches).

:)

I'm not saying that olaf isn't a juggernaut, I'm questioning why he is being most effective with a non-juggernaut build.

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