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Can anyone tell me the counterplay to....

Eedat··9 votes·849 views

All the extra goodies Riot has been giving to all the reworks?

Exactly what counterplay is there to %Max HP True Damage? I'm talking about it as a mechanic. Stack only armor and no hp? Should my final build look something like this? item 3110 item 3110 item 3025 item 3075 item 3047 item 3026? There is literally no obtainable way to counterbuild a %max HP true damage mechanic.

Also, why does every single champion that gets reworked get some sort of BS ignore defenses mechanic? What kind of counterplay is available for this? What is the point of having defensive items if they actually give your opponent more damage or just get ignored anyway? I mean seriously:

Fiora Garen both get %HP true damage because f%^k your defensive items

Gangplank Ignore 40% of armor because GP doesn't like to be counterbuilt

Darius you know what? Lets give him a passive 25% armor shred and a massive true damage ult! Thats not enough though. Lets give him a 200 AD steroid! F$#k it! Throw a heal in there too!

AND to add to it all, why did these get introduced right after the items that would be built to counter them got nerfed? item 3110 item 3143 item 3075

19 Comments

IcyPepper5 votes

Exactly what counterplay is there to %Max HP True Damage? I'm talking about it as a mechanic.

Well, generally counterbuilding is considered separate from counterplay, but that's just nitpicking.

For Garen's ult, if you're the villain you should probably be a carry. At least you can stay out of range (hopefully) or keep your health above dangerous levels if you got a support and your team protecting you.

All I got for Fiora is to not let her get vitals too easily. She'll get some, but hey you can't dodge every spell and every autoattack is going to do damage. She just gets more oomph. As her ult... GTFO. I got nothing about her ult, sorry :V

GP... I would stack a mix of health and armor. Just because he ignores some of your armor doesn't mean he ignores all of it, so back your armor up with some health! If he's building crit, go for randuins (surprisingly good against crit!).

Darius has always had the passive armor pen, I wouldn't view it as one of his bigger issues. The heal feels tacked on. If you're playing against a great Darius, his ult might as well have 100% penetration as a description because your entire team is about to lose their virginity.

So you know what, it's bullshit. But it's not complete bullshit, so we might as well make the most of it as well as complaining about it.

Hayaishi24 votes

Building items is not fucking counterplay, the counterplay would be dodging it, based on cooldowns, mana costs and how dependent a champion is on it.

Giving them true damage is not issue, it never has been. It's the fact you can't do anything about it.

Abyssphere4 votes

Yeah you used the phrases "counterplay" and "counterbuild" in this post - hint: the fact that they're different words means they're different things. Counterbuilding isn't counterplay and never will be - the counterplay to %HP true damage is to actually stop it happening, not build items and hope they let you ignore it. Try harder.

IsIsGankedParis3 votes

Darius has had his E passive since release and his ult needs 5 stacks to do full damage.

Bârd2 votes

Healing and shields both increase your effective health, which is not included in the damage calculations, so those two mechanics counter %HP true damage.

General Esdeath 1 votes

"Wow someone made a thread just like this"

-looks at OP's name-

"Oh, same guy"

Athenes Lulu1 votes

"just dodge the skillshots there's already counterplay xd"

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

You just have to dodge Garen's ult...

I mean you have to dodge Fiora's ult...

I mean you have to stop her from hitting the vitals... Wait, what? She has two slows and a dash that targets vitals?

Matezoide1 votes

Garen does 1% max health true damage per auto against a single enemy.

The horror.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Before you try sarcasm, please fact-check. It would make situations like this avoidable.

Matezoide1 votes

His Ultimate isnt %max health, so i do not see the issue with my statement.

Hell even if you include his spin, it only really begins to hurt once he gets like 8 ticks of it (Level 10). Vayne can proc her Silver Bolts twice before Garen is done spinning, while Fiora does more in a single vital proc.

Then theres the part where he can not decide who gets True Damage'd. Since the villain is going to be an Assassin/ADC 80% of the time, that 100 extra true damage he gets on is rarely going to matter.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

I was just trying to point out that you were wrong. It isn't on AAs, it's on spin ticks.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

It's on both

Matezoide1 votes

Both his AAs and spin ticks deal the true damage.

HayRoss1 votes

Your final build should look like that as Taric

Fiveofswords1 votes

item 3113 item 1053 item 3243

just stop being stupid. are you a tank? do tank stuff.

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

How exactly thornmail counter Darius?

Dunkrius2g1 votes

you know what? Lets give him a passive 25% armor shred and a massive true damage ult! Thats not enough though. Lets give him a 200 AD steroid! F$#k it! Throw a heal in there too!

Ill agree on 200 ad steriod and heal. But the armor pen has been there since launch. You are only seeing the real effects of the armor pen because it is maxed out lv 13 not lv 18. You also have BC as well. If you do remove the ad steriod, then i better expect a buff to his W and his Q in the damage department.

The amount of true damage Garen deals is really small. 1% for each tick on his E so potentially 10+ AAs. Fiora's whole damage comes from her passive + ult and her E, Ill agree with you there.

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