Simply change all %pen items into %bonus pen
This allows assassins to reach their 0 armor,but also allows tanks to be playable due to always having some armor.
Also true damage should be toned down, but at this point I’ve given up on that horse.
ApathyAndGrief2 votesI can see why you're Bronze 4 now.
The thigh guy1 votesI can see why you're Bronze 4 now.
Totally not because I don’t play ranked but w/e dude.
ApathyAndGrief3 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g6%%%kIB,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-03-27T18:35:32.452+0000)
Totally not because I don’t play ranked but w/e dude.
If you don't view this game from a competitive perspective and play very casually, why do you even bother arguing on the boards about game balance? People who do play ranked actively probably see things you clearly don't, which is why they disagree with you so much.
The thigh guy1 votesIf you don't view this game from a competitive perspective and play very casually, why do you even bother arguing on the boards about game balance? People who do play ranked actively probably see things you clearly don't, which is why they disagree with you so much.
Or maybe. Just maybe, the boards is filled with hashinshins and mages who hated the tank meta so much that they think tanks can never be viable ever again. But of course that couldn’t be it.
ApathyAndGrief2 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g6%%%kIB,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-27T18:47:00.720+0000)
Or maybe. Just maybe, the boards is filled with hashinshins and mages who hated the tank meta so much that they think tanks can never be viable ever again. But of course that couldn’t be it.
Tanks are viable. You just can't handle the fact they actually have counter-picks now instead of being nigh-unstoppable cc bots that run down every other class regardless of what you do.
There is a reason why people don't like Tanks.
First off, they're boring.
You can't name a single tank that' has remotely interesting or fun mechanics.
Only ones that do have it are 
and 
But that's 2. Only 2. Even then, their combos consist of every other tank combo.
Cc chain them into another cc chain which in turns goes into another which disables the enemy's ability fight back. That's incredibly one-sided and boring.
Secondly, the tank meta was one of League's most boring and uninteresting metas. Season 7 was NOT fun in the slightest. Full tank comps are the reason no one ever dealt damage.
Not saying this season is any better. Now there's too much damage, I can agree with you on that. But that doesn't stop tanks from being good. They're not complicated to win with.
You don't have to be a hashinshin fan to hate tanks. Over half the time I think he's just stupid and biased.
The thigh guy1 votesTanks are viable. You just can't handle the fact they actually have counter-picks now instead of being nigh-unstoppable cc bots that run down every other class regardless of what you do.
There is a reason why people don't like Tanks.
First off, they're boring.
You can't name a single tank that' has remotely interesting or fun mechanics.
Only ones that do have it are
But that's 2. Only 2. Even then, their combos consist of every other tank combo.
Cc chain them into another cc chain which in turns goes into another which disables the enemy's ability fight back. That's incredibly one-sided and boring.
Secondly, the tank meta was one of League's most boring and uninteresting metas. Season 7 was NOT fun in the slightest. Full tank comps are the reason no one ever dealt damage.
Not saying this season is any better. Now there's too much damage, I can agree with you on that. But that doesn't stop tanks from being good. They're not complicated to win with.
You don't have to be a hashinshin fan to hate tanks. Over half the time I think he's just stupid and biased.
Oh really. Let’s look and see when we find the first tank that isn’t relegated to support stun bot, in plat + because that’s when players start to become considered “good at the game”.
Oh. We got #26 rammus. Who’s is only good during ad meta’s. Go figure. Look what we are in.
And oh look. The next one is all the way down at 98. Being maokai.
So out of 148 champions ever tank besides rammus falls into the bottom 25% of champions. But tanks are fine?
As for tanks are boring. That is entirely subjective. YOU may not like tanks, but a decent chunk of people actually do. :/ I fucking despise assassins, does that mean all assassins need to be worthless?
And yeah. Tanks have counterpicks. Except litteraly EVERYTHING is a counter pick to tanks now. :/ everything has stupid amounts of %pen, %hp damage, true damage or some ungodly mixture of the three.
ApathyAndGrief1 votesExcept litteraly EVERYTHING is a counter pick to tanks now. :/
If you live with that mindset, you should probably consider quitting tanks, then.
I don't why you're looking at ranked stats, since you don't even play ranked at all.
The thigh guy2 votesExcept litteraly EVERYTHING is a counter pick to tanks now. :/
If you live with that mindset, you should probably consider quitting tanks, then.
I don't why you're looking at ranked stats, since you don't even play ranked at all.
I was using your example. Way to move th goal posts dude.
As for everything countering tanks. Have you seen builds?
Black cleaver, in every game. Counters tanks Last whisper items, in every game, counter tanks Blade of the ruined king, in most games, counters tanks Void staff, in almost every game, counters tanks Conquerer, a rune made specifically to counter tanks, in almost every game. Liandries - made to counter tanks, taken on any support mage Guinsuu - counters tanks
So every role, save support and sometimes jungle is using one of these things in every game. But tanks aren’t being countered?
ApathyAndGrief1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g6%%%kIB,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-27T23:04:17.264+0000)
I was using your example. Way to move th goal posts dude.
As for everything countering tanks. Have you seen builds?
Black cleaver, in every game. Counters tanks Last whisper items, in every game, counter tanks Blade of the ruined king, in most games, counters tanks Void staff, in almost every game, counters tanks Conquerer, a rune made specifically to counter tanks, in almost every game. Liandries - made to counter tanks, taken on any support mage Guinsuu - counters tanks
So every role, save support and sometimes jungle is using one of these things in every game. But tanks aren’t being countered?
Black Cleaver had a whopping 6% of it's original Armor pen removed, not to mention, have you actually seen full tank builds actually take damage from Black Cleaver? They really don't. By late game they should have over 300 armor, and they still would have a good 220 armor left after a Black Cleaver proc. You can't convince anyone that item is anywhere near strong.
Almost no one builds the last whisper items. And when they do, it's hard to even tell a difference against tanks.
If you think Conqueror is actually good anymore vs tanks, you forgot to build your thornmail, bud.
Rageblade is only ever gonna be built on bursty skirmishers, which aren't always around every match 
These champs aren't seen that often if you simply ban them.
Only the ap items you mentioned are really good against tanks. Unless the entire enemy team just builds full on penetration, you REALLY don't need to worry about it.
Say "Fuck you" to adcs and Assassins
Keeps mages from being relevant till late game. Even then, it takes a long time to kill you.
Vulkus I1 votesIf you don't view this game from a competitive perspective and play very casually, why do you even bother arguing on the boards about game balance? People who do play ranked actively probably see things you clearly don't, which is why they disagree with you so much.
YEAH GET EM' KYLE
xDogMeatx1 votesall damage needs reduction tanks are assassins now. instead of being CC monsters. they are now expect to be 2ndary burst targets. and DAMN reduce livability for mages in general building Pure ap items gives unrealistic amount of tankyness 
and you got a MAGE TANK right there whos pretty much immortal to poke.
xBushx1 votesOr just straight up remove 10% damage flat from the game. It would change the pace but not destroy the game. Give the whole game the sona Urf treatment.
PhDs Nuts1 votesRemove runes and actually balance the champions.