Now i fucking hate it. Theres no gold... even for tanky supports who cant buy tank items because theres no gold. This expessially sucks when you have to engage and you instantly die because you arent a tank you just pretend to be one. On the other note everyone does so much fucking damage it doesnt matter even if you are a fucking tank because they melt you anyway. Fuck the balance team.
Marshbouy3 votesWhat? How? When i play support i usually am only below my allies by 2k or so, im almost matched in gold with them when i take full gold gen runes.
S0kaX2 votesNo gold? I buy Warmog's Armor before 15 minutes when playing as Zac Support.
Marshbouy3 voteszac support warmogs what
S0kaX1 voteszac support warmogs what
Zac=Really good support, you should try him too. It's really awesome when you can sacrifice yourself for the adc but don't die cause you have passive then watch the enemy rage because of that :)))
DraygenBiscuit2 votesZac=Really good support, you should try him too. It's really awesome when you can sacrifice yourself for the adc but don't die cause you have passive then watch the enemy rage because of that :)))
Next you're going to say Aatrox support is good... You crazy lol.
S0kaX1 votesNext you're going to say Aatrox support is good... You crazy lol.
I don't play Aatrox, but Zac is really good as a support. Even if you google you will find A LOT of Zac Support builds/videos/threads.
DraygenBiscuit1 votesI don't play Aatrox, but Zac is really good as a support. Even if you google you will find A LOT of Zac Support builds/videos/threads.
I believe you lol, but it is a weird concept... You wouldn't normally think of him as a support...
S0kaX2 votesI believe you lol, but it is a weird concept... You wouldn't normally think of him as a support...
DraygenBiscuit2 votesThis is sadly true... Tank supports are in a bad spot right now and poke mage supports are really shining. Sona and Zyra are dominating right now. A thresh has to be good to keep up.
Penguin Eclipse1 votesThis is sadly true... Tank supports are in a bad spot right now and poke mage supports are really shining. Sona and Zyra are dominating right now. A thresh has to be good to keep up.
I wouldn't say they are in a bad spot. Statistically Braum, Blitz, Leona, and Taric are performing okay and all have a high pick rate except for Taric. With that said, it is considerably more difficult to get an assist with them than it is with say a Sona who just presses W at some point in the fight and secures an assist. That can lead to considerable differences in gold.
DraygenBiscuit1 votes[{quoted}](name=Penguin Eclipse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g6AMkx2Y,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-09-05T16:21:57.805+0000)
I wouldn't say they are in a bad spot. Statistically Braum, Blitz, Leona, and Taric are performing okay and all have a high pick rate except for Taric. With that said, it is considerably more difficult to get an assist with them than it is with say a Sona who just presses W at some point in the fight and secures an assist. That can lead to considerable differences in gold.
Blitz has been doing well lately, and I think that is mostly due to an increase in Sona's lol. Leona's have always been good since they can go through minions with their grab and stun and attack directly. In the end Leona is far more terrifying than Blitzcrank lol. Braum on the other hand, is just a good support all in all. With his block abilities and slow, I think hes in a good spot and forgot about him when I was posting that lol. I was really only thinking of Blitzcrank and Thresh, because as a Sona player my self I have completely shreded half of a blitz health at lvl 1, and done the same to a thresh. Idk if Sona is the problem, or if Blitz and Thresh just aren't supposed to be tanky at lvl 1 but I would say its annoying for anyone who plays them.
Penguin Eclipse1 votesBlitz has been doing well lately, and I think that is mostly due to an increase in Sona's lol. Leona's have always been good since they can go through minions with their grab and stun and attack directly. In the end Leona is far more terrifying than Blitzcrank lol. Braum on the other hand, is just a good support all in all. With his block abilities and slow, I think hes in a good spot and forgot about him when I was posting that lol. I was really only thinking of Blitzcrank and Thresh, because as a Sona player my self I have completely shreded half of a blitz health at lvl 1, and done the same to a thresh. Idk if Sona is the problem, or if Blitz and Thresh just aren't supposed to be tanky at lvl 1 but I would say its annoying for anyone who plays them.
Early game poke in the bottom lane can be downright oppressive at times. That is certainly an issue for tank and defensive supports. Sona is difficult to deal with. Although her damage on her Q is technically lower than it used to be she also used to go full support masteries and runes. Now she goes very heavy on the AP damage and the end result is just as much damage if not more which is not good for tank supports. Especially supports like Thresh and Blitzcrank who do not have particularly tanky base stats.
That said, they are still performing fairly strong overall. I believe if changes are made to address the increasingly rough early game then the relic shield is where the changes should be made. It is built on essentially all tank supports but yet provides fairly poor stats when it comes to actually protecting the support. Too much of the power budget is spent on the heal. The item should also be altered so late game it actually continues to provide gold. Outside of the laning phase it is ridiculously hard to get gold with the item.
afmghost2 votesI have a support rune page. Use gold per sec quintessences. You can also use the seals if you still feel broke. The problem here is that it takes many slots before any dramatic income change occurs. If you use your seals for income, you lose potential defensive stat boosts, so watch your back. Alternatively, you can get masteries that provide the occasional bonus gold (such as pickpocket). Again, it restricts your other options, so think before you use it.
DraygenBiscuit2 votesI have a support rune page. Use gold per sec quintessences. You can also use the seals if you still feel broke. The problem here is that it takes many slots before any dramatic income change occurs. If you use your seals for income, you lose potential defensive stat boosts, so watch your back. Alternatively, you can get masteries that provide the occasional bonus gold (such as pickpocket). Again, it restricts your other options, so think before you use it.
I hate using them though because it makes you sooo much weaker early game..
Penguin Eclipse1 votesI am always behind in gold as support even though I always have the highest kill participation on the team. But it hasn't really been a problem this season and in fact I almost always and among the first to go full build. Support items (for the mages anyway) are typically cheaper than any of the other roles.
Rozair1 votesim mostly talking about tank supports and how they are in a bad spot
afmghost1 votesI main support, and have 3 points I'd like to make. First, when I say "main support," I mean I select fill thinking that option would provide me with a variety of roles. This is not the case, since when I fill, I am support 98% of the time. Second, when I support, I leave tanking to someone else. I don't own Blitzcrank, and he seems like the only tanky support that can keep up, since landing his combo essentially stun locks the target, allowing for rapid health draining. Other tank supports can't take the beating early game, and don't have such kits to make up for the defense. Third, since supports like Lulu and Soraka don't seem viable anymore (Lulu lacks damage to defend herself if she's caught, and Soraka has to give up her own health to heal the carry, putting herself at risk with her 0.9 HP Regen), I break the meta. Here's a small list of which champions I play as support, and a little reasoning.
Teemo: He can blind the enemy carry, and his ult can be considered a built in sight stone. Veigar: His rework gives him bonus ap just by hitting champions with his spells, so he can keep up in the ap race. Combine that with his stun and his other powerful spells and you can force your opponent's out of lane, or get your carry fed easily with set up kills. Twisted Fate: His old passive made him the perfect support, providing every ally more cash, but now he's less known as one. Truth is, he's still good. He has plenty of CC under his belt, he can snipe using his Q for risk free tower diving, and when the carry is away, he can use his passive to help catch up on gold income.
These are a mere few. Since they aren't meant for supporting, using them gives benefits. For one, you can still be an offensive player mid game through late game. You still have offensive abilities and stats, so you won't be a pushover later.
Also, if it's draft pick, the enemy may try countering you only to realize that you're not their lane opponent, and your teammate can instead counterpick them.
If done well and with certain champions, it can also anger the other team. Obviously it's not good to troll, but breaking the meta isn't punishable. They will just get mad because you aren't playing by their rulebook, and it will keep them off their A-game. Remember, you did nothing wrong, so don't feel bad about it.
