gauging your eyes out with a fucking melon baller, but its good to know decent reworks will be reverted if the playerbase cries enough because their champ takes more effort than "hurr durr i can press two buttons with my mouse over you, free kill and escape after"
The Ecdysiast33 votesTry an ice cream scoop instead of a melon baller. More traction.
Dr Dog15 votestrue, thanks for the advice
TeCoolMage1 votescall it a poop scooper
Percentages1 votesOr a SUPER DUPER POOPER SCOOPER!
JekyII And Hyde12 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g5WxTM3E,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-18T03:42:59.775+0000)
gauging your eyes out with a fucking melon baller, but its good to know decent reworks will be reverted if the playerbase cries enough because their champ takes more effort than "hurr durr i can press two buttons with my mouse over you, free kill and escape after"
You have no idea what you are talking about. Reworked LeBlanc took literally 10 times less effort cause she had no real combos, (you didn't need to follow exact combo order like for example Q-R-E to do max dmg) you needed to just press any button then after 1.5 sec delay follow with another button to proc passive. This would either 1 shot you if LB was fed enough or it wouldn't and she would be fucked and dead. She had free waveclear, free escape on her ult cause she could ALWAYS choose to mimic W to run away and didn't even need to risk hitting people with her body by going melee with Distortion cause it did no fucking damage after nerfs anyway. Instead of assassin she played like splitpusher after 20 min mark. That's why she got reverted.
Crispy0Snake6 votesI think her time window to W back should be shorter so that if she takes too long to press 3 buttons she's stuck.
I also think her R shouldn't count as a seperate attack (for electrocute) because it just recasts an empowered version of an ability. Q auto R for a supid amount of hp just isn't fun, especially when it's all point and click.
Dr Dog16 votesi think she should just get reworked again, her kit is the problem and it always was, 18 sec w cd at rank 1? who cares it doesn fix her problems of being too safe with too much dmg and too big of a gap closer range all packed into a point and click burst champ, her "nerf" did nothing but make her take electrocute again because it got harder to get dark harvest stacks early
GigglesO11 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g5WxTM3E,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-12-18T04:05:29.533+0000)
fix her problems of being too safe with too much dmg and too big of a gap closer
You just defined the issues that make assassins imo relativity unbalanced.
LordGeovanni2 votesYou get easy damage or you get high damage. you cant be balanced with both 
P0IS0N IVY6 votesHer previous rework was really bad. She needs another one.
saltran3 votesAs an ADC main I kinda loved the reworked LeBlanc kit since when midgame was ending I could usuay just burst her before she could do her really delayed dmg.
But actually it makes more sense that she's the one that bursts me, and I'm fine with that. There's nothing wrong about assasins existing.
Dr Dog10 votesits not the burst its how easy it is and from how far away she can do it, shes way too safe and way too easy
DarkTree15 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g5WxTM3E,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-12-18T05:33:05.471+0000)
its not the burst its how easy it is and from how far away she can do it, shes way too safe and way too easy
this. i think the time to kill is too low and damage is too high right now, but having general burst is not a bad thing, having free escapes after doing that burst or doing it from a range that doesn't require you to be put at risk at all IS a bad thing.
saltran1 votesBut the problem is not her safety since she had that safety too with the reworked kit that you miss and there I bet that you were not complaining about her back then right?
So, you are complaining about her burst not being delayed since its what changed.
Dr Dog2 votesthe safety and speed of her dmg output are directly contributing to each others issue, with delays on dmg her free escape had a trade off now shes just a two button wonder in lane again that youre never gonna kill unless your entire team is a big leblanc counterpick
RoseburyNoire3 votesWait just a minute, when you say two buttons what spells are you referring to? Cause her QE combo not only relies on landing a skillshot (which hitbox has been reduced) but also warns you with the Q cast before the E cast.
Dr Dog2 votesliterally q w with your mouse clicked over the enemy are they low enough to kill now? ignite e w, thats the laning phasewith leblanc its not fun its not interactive and he w recast is too small of a window
RoseburyNoire1 votesWait, who ever gets in range of her W in the laning phase? unless you are a Talon main (cause the only other melee is YAsuo and has a windwall to counter her) ? She can only EQ or QE against anyone from Gold upwards, or maybe Gold players first time in midlane but even then I really doubt anyone would be stupid enough to get close to LeBlanc to get damaged by her W
Dr Dog3 voteslmao all she has to do is walk up her w has a very nice range, if they dont run they take half their hp bar and if they do you zone them off its lose lose
RoseburyNoire1 votesW range is 600, mages' skillshots are almost all between 1250 and 1450 range, she cannot just walk up to you lmao (unless you're talon gut I guess that is why she counters him)
Dr Dog2 votesmaybe artillery mages, most mages have around 700-1000 range at a push like anivia, orianna, veigar and other traditional mages
Unvictus2 votesTheir skill shots aren’t what matter lol.. no mage has the auto attack range to out-range her W. Her ability to zone just about every champ off the minion wave just for having her W up is absurd. And if honestly think that every champ should be forced to cs with abilities only just so they don’t get one shot by your dumb champ then there’s no helping you.
Unvictus2 votes 
... yup talon and Yasuo are the only melee mids... You’re literally ignoring the fact that simply stepping up as Leblanc is enough to zone anyone away from minions, melee or not. They don’t have to get in range of her W, because she doesn’t allow them too. She has the pressure to starve half the roster of cs. It’s not just about the damage she deals, it’s the pressure she exerts over the lane. It’s similar to a blitz hook. If he steps up it zones people away, he may not throw out a hook for minutes at a time, but the ability being up is often enough to force people to play super safe and often lose farm and pressure because of it. You honestly can’t be that blinded by your bias to say “I really doubt anyone would be stupid enough to get close enough to be Leblanc to get damaged by her W”.
JeaneGreene1 votesLeblanc W (At least super early) isn't that polarizing. If you are brave and close the gap with the Leblanc, she is forced to either W you then snap back, or W away, causing her to lose her damage. Aslo 3/4 of those bois have some sort of "free" wave clear. Spam them on the wave and force her to last hit under tower (Leblanc has ass wave clear until 20:00).
MOLTinaTOR3 votesjUSt CC hEr! Oh wait, she's already gone [slayer-jinx-unamused]
Anu3isII3 votesYes, just ignore the fact that her rework didn't solve any issues and she still point-and-click bursted people while being safe as hell. Sure, if you talk about low LBs that didn't know how to do one-shot comboes, sure, your rework made them weaker.
But a good reworked LB player would have murdered you in the same way as the old one, while having the more waveclear and being even safer (mimic the W? Np, just R then W and you dashed without a problem, you don't need W to do that).
Dr Dog2 votesthe delay gave it a lot more counterplay, you summed up my main point with the "good" part, i WANT to be killed by a good leblanc, i DONT want to be killed by a braindead ape that hovers their mouse over you and presses two buttons
Anu3isII2 votesWhat delay? A good LB player would burst you without their Passive at all! You know why people bought 
? To Point-and-click burst you in one fast combo.
Her old kit would be ten times more unfair in the hands of a good player, because she didn't lose anything while having way less counterplay.
And you keep mentioning 2 buttons as if you can't keep your distance from her. I bet you also cry about Annie murdering you with 3 buttons from 600 range (same as LB's W) right ?
I agree with you that she definitely needs a rework, but you are completely biased to believe that her previous rework was healthy at all.
Saianna3 votesbut its good to know decent reworks will be reverted if the playerbase cries enough
Implying that mess of a rework LB had was good. k
(not saying her prerework state is ok, though)
AR URF3 votesI once tried to play leblanc mid against 
. I got shit on.
I still don't know why they reverted her. Her reworked kit was better for farming.
JeaneGreene1 votesHer reworked kit was a bit too good. It turned her into a 
of sorts: balance nightmare.
QancerClown3 votesShe is just doing too much dmg with a simple q + w combo, they should work on that.
TisBis2 votesIk I'm bad but I'd fight LB over hasagi bitch any day
Summonah123691 votesNot receiving a chest for getting S grade on a champion for the 1st time even though you have 4 fucking chests available...? Yeah thanks Riot for giving me a token for getting S- Elise but not the fucking chest -.-
Dr Dog1 votesi think this is the wrong post lol, but ya thats annoying man
Summonah123692 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g5WxTM3E,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-12-18T14:43:22.032+0000)
i think this is the wrong post lol, but ya thats annoying man
Not wrong post, was responding to the title of this post.
Handy Sandy 1 votesI think Leblanc should get waveclear, maybe her chain going through minions or something. If she has better waveclear, I think it's more realistic that she'll be able to get changed into a better state.
Maybe if her R was a completely different ability and her W had a 4 second delay before she could jump back to her pad, the delay getting halved when she hit her new R she'd be better to go against idk
Nik Nikerson1 votesHer having waveclear is what forced them to revert her rework. One of the biggest problems she faces is the fact that she has terrible wave clear if she isn't using her distortion. If she's using it to clear, she isn't using it to harass or escape, and she runs out of mana fairly quickly. I haven't played mid in a while, but one of the best strategies used to be shoving her under her tower and denying her farm (Like I said, I don't play mid any more so I'm not sure if that's still the case). When they gave her decent wave clear with her new passive, she could easily shove her opponent under tower and roam top or bot to pick up kills or assists.
Handy Sandy 1 votes[{quoted}](name=Nik Nikerson,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g5WxTM3E,comment-id=00150000,timestamp=2018-12-19T03:54:31.684+0000)
Her having waveclear is what forced them to revert her rework. One of the biggest problems she faces is the fact that she has terrible wave clear if she isn't using her distortion. If she's using it to clear, she isn't using it to harass or escape, and she runs out of mana fairly quickly. I haven't played mid in a while, but one of the best strategies used to be shoving her under her tower and denying her farm (Like I said, I don't play mid any more so I'm not sure if that's still the case). When they gave her decent wave clear with her new passive, she could easily shove her opponent under tower and roam top or bot to pick up kills or assists.
She had to get reverted because her passive did like 600 damage not because of her waveclear. She still on average got way less cs than whoever she was fighting. W+Q could never kill melees.
MasterDClone1 votesthe rework didn't make her any more balanced just made her unfun to play as well as unfun to play against. Hardcore lb mains got severily cucked by the rework. the reason most people didnt have a problem with the rework is that nobody played the cancer champion anymore and as someone who mains another cancer champion 
who got fucked by the reworked i feel for them.
Nausicäa 1 votesTake my upvote, wish i could give you more.
Ban Leblanc every game, fucking hate that bitch.
koshkyra1 votesI hate lb more than the next guy but you cant tell me she had a "decent rework".
Hawthorn Tree1 votes...you know, LB's damage is not the problem. She can be outplayed pretty easily, but it's so hard to punish her for mistakes when she has that no CD passive. That stuff interrupts combos so hard, and mid champions are generally all about combos.
Dr Dog1 votesthe invis on it is fine imo, but the temporary invulnerability is complete horse shit
ProjectDawn1 votesYou give that band a a bad name.
JeaneGreene1 votesLeblanc's rework turned her into one of the strongest champions in the game, she had everything she used to have (yes that includes 0.1 second burst), coupled with global presence and high wave clear. Never, ever, suggest going back to that monster........
On other terms, here are some tips for playing against Leblanc:
sneakydoug1 votesYou suggest pushing the wave and buying MR. Pick one. As an ap champion you aren’t going to shove waves well if you’re investing in MR.
JeaneGreene1 votesTear and Null Magic Mantle together cost under lost chapter. Or, if you still wanted to go the lost chapter route, you could snag an amplifying tome, sapphire crystal and null magic mantle to get some AP.
