Rito, tell us your reasoning, if you truly think DQ is better u should persuade us

The Deckowner·Apr 15, 2016·13 votes·741 views

in the "rito plz" post, rito said they think dynamic queue is better than solo queue, so they will keep dynamic queue and not let solo queue return.

But the issue is they did not tell us any context.

This is why the community is so upset about rito's recent decision makings. Rito had gave us no reasoning about why they make such and such decisions. the lack of context is very frustrating, it will cause the community to make assumptions and question about rito's decision making.

Rito plz explain yourself

12 Comments

PlatypusSurpriseApr 15, 20165 votes

It says it in the first paragraph regarding dynamic queue: "Prior to the launch of dynamic queue, we felt like we had a competitive ladder that over-indexed on the raw skill and individualism parts instead of naturally promoting all-around great teamplay."

Also in the last paragraph of the same article: "When it comes to a philosophical stance, however, we do want to be clear: we believe that dynamic queue is closer to representing a healthy, competitive landscape in League of Legends than solo/duo queue."

In other words they want people to play league of legends as a team game because it's a team game.

The DeckownerApr 15, 20164 votes

we believe that dynamic queue is closer to representing a healthy, competitive landscape in League of Legends than solo/duo queue.

They didn't explain why dynamic queue is more competitive than solo queue. They simply said:

dynamic queue has more problems and didn't fix solo queue's problem,
but solo queue will not solve the problem of solo queue
so dynamic queue is better than solo queue because solo queue doesn't fix the current issues, meanwhile dynamic queue did not solve the issue but create more issue.

Literally one of the biggest flaw of dynamic queue is that it is not competitive, it is no where close to the competitiveness of solo queue.

PlatypusSurpriseApr 15, 20162 votes

You keep ignoring the first paragraph...

Dynamic queue is meant to get players to focus more on the team aspect of this team game.

Sure with solo queue players were getting good mechanics and those are useful, however if that player does not get objectives or work with the team at all then they are rightfully going to lose to players that work better as a team in a team game.

As for it not being competitive... I was looking at your win rate and it's 116W and 99L or a 54% win rate. Now I get some games you're likely stomping the other team and some games your getting stomped but that's almost dead even 50/50 shot at win/loss. Even looking at where you are right now in ranked (silver) vs where you were last season in ranked (also silver) it really does not seem to be dynamic queue that is the issue. Like maybe if you want to argue that Season 6 is more unbalanced and because some champions overwhelm teams if they are not dealt with early game I would agree with that but from your stats I really don't see any impact that dynamic queue has had on you >.>

Also making it so players only have to know 2 roles instead of 5 makes it more likely you'll have players that know their roles and champions better. Of course this also has the effect of them not knowing how other roles work and leads to really bad ways of throwing like supports/ ADC's not understanding that they should not split push and should instead let the person with teleport do it since that person can get back to the team if a fight breaks out.

It also leads to some people not knowing how some really important enemy champion mechanics work but that's a whole other ball of wax.

The Queen ViperApr 15, 20162 votes

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Dynamic queue is meant to get players to focus more on the team aspect of this team game.

However that's a play-style and a certain mentality people have, regardless what the game mode is.

Not sure if they are just stupid or something but those are two very different things.

Just because some people want to play alone and queue as individuals to get balanced games, doesn't mean they magically stop playing as a team or that they have no clue how to play as a team. They just want an even playing field.

The DeckownerApr 15, 20162 votes

Nope, Dynamic queue DOES NOT make people play more like a team. In it's current state it's more like dividing the team into 1~~2 solo player and 3~~4 people premades. There is no communication, no connection, no teamwork between the two group. Yes the premades will still communicate well and work well with each other, but solo players' experience is ruined.

For example: Solo top is getting camped and couldn't step out of the tower for a single cs. but premade mid and jg don't give a shit about solo top they rather help their premade bot because they are premades.

TEAMWORK "OP"

As for it not being competitive... I was looking at your win rate and it's 116W and 99L or a 54% win rate. Now I get some games you're likely stomping the other team and some games your getting stomped but that's almost dead even 50/50 shot at win/loss. Even looking at where you are right now in ranked (silver) vs where you were last season in ranked (also silver) it really does not seem to be dynamic queue that is the issue. Like maybe if you want to argue that Season 6 is more unbalanced and because some champions overwhelm teams if they are not dealt with early game I would agree with that but from your stats I really don't see any impact that dynamic queue has had on you >.>

I know you can't find it out so I am telling it to you now. I was silver 4 last season, MMR reset putted me to Bronze 4, and I climbed all the way from Bronze4 to currently Silver 2. Dynamic queue kills the competitiveness for a lot of people, but not for an LEAGUE ADDICT like me so I am still doing fine. BUT IF YOU WERE ME you won't be happy about all the premades"having a bad game"(aka intentionally trolling/throwing/losing) and all the solo players getting stomped over and over again by premades. I have a friend who is silver last season but now stuck in bronze due to getting troll by dynamic premades.(trust me in bronze the premades are very casual just playing like normals even sometimes playing like bot games).

Many premades don't take ranked seriously, they are on voice chat having a good time with their buddy and trolling around. This really hurts the solo players a lot.

BTW how does my rank has anything to do with dynamic queue sucking?

PlatypusSurpriseApr 16, 20161 votes

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Nope, Dynamic queue DOES NOT make people play more like a team. In it's current state it's more like dividing the team into 1~~2 solo player and 3~~4 people premades. There is no communication, no connection, no teamwork between the two group. Yes the premades will still communicate well and work well with each other, but solo players' experience is ruined.

For example: Solo top is getting camped and couldn't step out of the tower for a single cs. but premade mid and jg don't give a shit about solo top they rather help their premade bot because they are premades.

TEAMWORK "OP"

As a jungler you want to play to the strong side of your map... If you're top falls behind to the point where they are getting dove if they leave tower and you have the option of trying to maybe save the lane so they don't lose laning phase or put winning lanes farther ahead then you put the other lanes farther ahead so when mid game happens and the teams group your team is stronger.

Also if it has gotten to that point you don't want to roam there because there would be a high chance that you will lose if the other jungler comes and you end up in a 2 v 2 so you leave top to fend for themselves until mid game.

Another reason for this is because if your top laner gets to far behind then the gold bonus for killing them becomes basically nothing. For example if they are going 0/6/0 then they die again they are only worth 90 gold. So that might not be a jungler in a pre-made thing that might be jungler knows how to jungle (provided they are actually putting the other two lanes farther ahead and taking objectives).

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I know you can't find it out so I am telling it to you now. I was silver 4 last season, MMR reset putted me to Bronze 4, and I climbed all the way from Bronze4 to currently Silver 2. Dynamic queue kills the competitiveness for a lot of people, but not for an LEAGUE ADDICT like me so I am still doing fine. BUT IF YOU WERE ME you won't be happy about all the premades"having a bad game"(aka intentionally trolling/throwing/losing) and all the solo players getting stomped over and over again by premades. I have a friend who is silver last season but now stuck in bronze due to getting troll by dynamic premades.(trust me in bronze the premades are very casual just playing like normals even sometimes playing like bot games).

Many premades don't take ranked seriously, they are on voice chat having a good time with their buddy and trolling around. This really hurts the solo players a lot.

If you re-read my last I actually state that you were silver last season and this season so if you know where to look you can find that out ^.^

Also the soft MMR reset dropped everyone by about a tier in ranked so it's expected that you need to climb back to where you were.

As for pre-mades not taking ranked seriously... that could honestly just be that the players you're running into are not taking the game serious because you're playing in bronze and silver which even when it was solo queue people complained about how their teammates were not that great and that they were intentionally trolling/throwing/losing/afking (because it's low elo and some people don't care if they're ranked 1,000,000th or 900,000th).

[{quoted}](name=The Deckowner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g21em20I,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2016-04-15T21:58:27.758+0000)> BTW how does my rank has anything to do with dynamic queue sucking?

You're entire thread is stating dynamic queue is making league less competitive... I've been pointing out that it appears to have no impact on how competitive the ranked ladder is for someone that plays the game competitively and actually puts time into playing ranked (which again is how things worked in solo queue).

The only major thing I've see is instead of 5 people running around and not acting like a team you have 3-4 people that play like a team and one person that still runs around and does their own thing. That's still a net gain for people working like a team, the only difference is now the person that was not in a pre-made actually notices that they are not working as part of a team with everyone else >.>

The DeckownerApr 16, 20161 votes

Don't try to justify premade junglers, they are extremely biased and they will camp that premade lane over and over again no matter how bad that lane is.
IDK why but you think having a bad match up and getting pushed undertower=0/6/0 and the top laner is feeding and the lane is gone?

As for pre-mades not taking ranked seriously... that could honestly just be that the players you're running into are not taking the game serious because you're playing in bronze and silver which even when it was solo queue people complained about how their teammates were not that great and that they were intentionally trolling/throwing/losing/afking (because it's low elo and some people don't care if they're ranked 1,000,000th or 900,000th).

3.This is not just me, majority of the board is complaining about people not taking ranked games seriously even in higher ranks. Premades don't give a shit about what the solo players feel about the game.

The only major thing I've see is instead of 5 people running around and not acting like a team you have 3-4 people that play like a team and one person that still runs around and does their own thing. That's still a net gain for people working like a team, the only difference is now the person that was not in a pre-made actually notices that they are not working as part of a team with everyone else >.>

So you insist that premades are coordinated well and works as a team while solo players aren't. in fact not really, premades in lower elo doesn't seem to have more superior macro movements, they are just better at teamfighting because ping and chat is useless in a full on teamfight while voice communication is much more efficient.

You stating solo players don't know how to work in a team is very biased. It's more like premades completely ignore rest of their team that is not in their premade. it just breaks the team apart.

PlatypusSurpriseApr 17, 20161 votes

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Don't try to justify premade junglers, they are extremely biased and they will camp that premade lane over and over again no matter how bad that lane is.

I'm something like 70% solo queue and 30% dynamic queue and I've played a few games with friends where I told them "I'm to far behind just leave me and I'll play safe." So discounting a jungler just because you think they're in a pre-made or because they actually are in a pre-made is more likely a reason you won't get help. Mostly because you'll start playing differently. Like not calling out when top tp's or flashes, or pinging MIA's, or pinging a ward before you TP to it so your team knows to go in, or using assist me flag when your jungler is top and you have top pushed with the other top backed so you can take Rift Herald, etc.

Also I've had games in season 5 where there was no dynamic queue where the people that were vocal got help and sometimes yeah the jungler kept helping them after they should have just cut their loses but that's the junglers fault and not necessarily the pre-mades fault.

IDK why but you think having a bad match up and getting pushed undertower=0/6/0 and the top laner is feeding and the lane is gone?

Who said anything about that person having a bad match up? >.>

3.This is not just me, majority of the board is complaining about people not taking ranked games seriously even in higher ranks. Premades don't give a shit about what the solo players feel about the game.

Higher ranks are complaining that they were getting Diamond 3's in games when they were challenger, that's way different then people complaining that other people were not taking the game serious. On a personal note I don't even think they should be letting the Diamond 1's play vs challenger players because they should get crushed most of the time but that's just a down side of riot trying to lower queue times from like 30+ Minutes for that bracket which was one of the things they asked for =/

So you insist that premades are coordinated well and works as a team while solo players aren't. in fact not really, premades in lower elo doesn't seem to have more superior macro movements, they are just better at teamfighting because ping and chat is useless in a full on teamfight while voice communication is much more efficient.

You stating solo players don't know how to work in a team is very biased. It's more like premades completely ignore rest of their team that is not in their premade. it just breaks the team apart.

What I'm saying is that pre-mades are at least making plans together now which is what Riot was trying to get to happen by shifting from solo/duo to dynamic queue... Yeah sometimes they are really bad plans like ganking bot lane then not taking tower or dragon after they chase the other team off or kill them but their plans are what you would expect from people in the tier they are in.

As for solo players not knowing how to work well as a team... I've seen huge variances on their skill levels and for every solo player I've seen that was able to do things like rotate, take objectives, ping Mia's, ping to set up a tp gank, call out when the other team uses summoners, or other useful team actions I will run into a player like the MasterYi I had a few days ago that gets devourer and does not kill a rift sculler the entire game then alpha strikes a secured kill in a MissFortune ult instead of letting their ADC have it.

So I'm of the opinion that dynamic queue is not making the game better or worse at lower elos (where like 60-70% of the player base is) because the complaints I'm seeing about pre-mades are the same complaints people were making about solo players in the same tiers for at least the past 3 seasons >.>

The Queen ViperApr 15, 20162 votes

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In other words they want people to play league of legends as a team game because it's a team game.

Yet they removed Ranked 5's ... because apparently plebs want to play with friends but for some magical reason they don't have friends to gather a full team and play the game how it was meant to be played. -.-

All they want to do is milk the casual plebs with Hextech Crafting and with other social features.

Dynamic Queue is not healthy and only introduces imbalanced games to the point where there's no difference between it and Normal Draft.

It's not competitive at all, it's the exact opposite.

MasterSomethingApr 15, 20163 votes

they will keep dynamic queue and not let solo queue return.

They didn't say solo queue will never return. It's not out of the question, but it is an option.

LiveYiOrDieHardApr 15, 20163 votes

Because in Riot's opinion premades are more important than solo queuers. That's it. Maybe because they spend more money, maybe because friends playing together are happier, maybe because they don't have to deal with as many reports when people flame each other over their voice chat instead of the league chat, or maybe a combination of all of those.

They know damn well it screws over solo queuers, and they don't care. That's also why they know they'll never convince the people who are against it that dynamic queue is better, because for solo queuers it's worse in every way. So they aren't even bothering to try.