i think irelia's actually the best vgu so far and I like her hard-scaling power curve

Big Lincoln··9 votes·6,222 views

best VGU because she's like old irelia but better. she's still very clearly an anti-ranged champ with the added benefit of being doubly effective at fighting ADC+enchanter combos, but Riot managed to take that "hard counter" intent and funnel it into a way that required her to outplay people, compared to, say, Galio, who is only 'anti mage' through stat checking you with a passive shield and MR scaling. feels good to play, even if I probably won't play her too much, i think they got her kit down perfect.

as for recent balance changes, i actually think it's much more interesting that she have such a steep power curve. it's rare we get a true melee hard carry, and it reminds me of a time when really hard-scaling champs had piss weak early games, but they'd wreck you once they started getting big, and vice versa, in the good ol' days when we had renekton bar and pre-rework Darius who would tear you apart for the first 20 minutes and then cease to exist if he didn't end with his lead. that's a direction I'd actually like to head back to, 'cos champions just being always 'good' inhibits a lot of reason to ever change your roster or adjust picks, if X early game beast is still relevant late game, or if a really strong late game can pretty much guarantee at least some safe scaling if not an outright snowball with their fantastic gank assist camille, it just kinda muddies a lot of value that champions should inherently have, and makes champ select not nearly as interesting. a champion like Irelia shakes things up in a way that i'm pretty cool with.

i'm still not all too sold on reworks or VGUs, and i'm probably never gonna be, but irelia gets an A grade from me. gj

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Death by Glamour4 votes

I do like the gameplay side of the rework but i think that the her having mixed damage will be a major pain in the ass later on once she starts seeing higher quality play

Big Lincoln1 votes

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I do like the gameplay side of the rework but i think that the her having mixed damage will be a major pain in the ass later on once she starts seeing higher quality play

i dont have too much of an issue with it. i think i would prefer she be pushed towards squishier builds rather than her current item 3078 item 3053 item 3748 into tank, but the concept itself doesnt bother me much

Ratpie1 votes

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i dont have too much of an issue with it. i think i would prefer she be pushed towards squishier builds rather than her current item 3078 item 3053 item 3748 into tank, but the concept itself doesnt bother me much

her tanky build is just wrong right now. Just played a game where she goes 50k damage / 50k damage taken. Both the most damage tanked on the team and most damage done by a long shot, and that was even with a susaN that stacked up. I do not mind her high mobility and damage, but she shoudln't be able to have mobility, damage, tankiness, and cc. It is a bit over the top. Most people playing her are aweful, but the people that know how to play her are crushing people. She is doing as much damage going tanky as people are going full damage.

GhaelWinds1 votes

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i dont have too much of an issue with it. i think i would prefer she be pushed towards squishier builds rather than her current item 3078 item 3053 item 3748 into tank, but the concept itself doesnt bother me much

I run Trinity-Rav-GA most games. That build feels better to me than the bruiser stuff. She's more assassin-y anyway so the bruiser stuff seems to hinder her if you ask me.

OverpoweredSoap2 votes

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I do like the gameplay side of the rework but i think that the her having mixed damage will be a major pain in the ass later on once she starts seeing higher quality play

To be fair, it kind of has to be that way currently.

Irelia's power fantasy (and identity I guess) is about constantly procing her Q and dashing around, and for that to work well it means the rest of her kit can't have high AD damage otherwise she'd be too strong.

On one hand it could make it harder itemize against her but an easy fix would be lowering the base magic damage if its too high because that's the only way it will be relevant 95% of the time.

The only AP item I could see her buying is MAYBE Guinsoo's (because its really strong still) but everything else seems "meh".

Bisaknosp4 votes

well i actually think she is trash after the hotfix ult is strong and all but thats it i dont see any reason to play her over camille/fiora/riven well her ult would be a reason but they are nerfing it so whatever

TyroneWatermelon3 votes

Instead of fixing the adc + enchanter problem, make a whole champion dedicated to counter it. clap clap.

Häxel1 votes

yea the problem needs to be fixed. Still not needed to delete enchanters+adc. even if they exist in a weaker form it can be nice to have a specific champion counter such combs. like xin is also kinda a rangecounter but while irelia goes directly into the range champs xin knocks them away for a duel between melee while he avoids range damage. Or galio/kassadin/morgana beeing antimage while malphite/rammus/taric antiad and so on.

Rico Nasty3 votes

My only issue is she is wildly outclassed in toplane. Those PBE nerfs effectively made her the worst bruiser in the game. Also her jungle capabilities are nonexistent. However, she is quite good as a midlaner. Plays a tiny bit like Yasuo, but less obnoxious.

The Bearded Bard2 votes

Agreed 100%. I think Irelia and Swain are excellent and unique champions now. Ryze was another really good one. Sometimes Riot really gets things right.

OHminus1 votes

Don't think Ryze was a good one - his kit is interesting, sure, but the problem remains that he's a chore to balance because no matter what Riot does he seems to be pick/ban worthy in LCS while being trash tier in silver

The Bearded Bard2 votes

He's more fun than he's ever been and honestly it doesn't matter what you play in silver, you can still win and have fun

ExternalLink2 votes

I like her rework (and I probably have close to a thousand old Irelia games under my belt), but her numbers do need adjusting a bit. Currently Irelia is pretty garbage at dueling, but in return is quite possibly the best Diver in the game (Scratch that, Camille is still better). However, PBE nerfs imply that Riot is planning on reducing her Diving power, and hitting her scaling a bit... This would feel acceptable if not for the fact that Irelia's early, and dueling power against certain champions, feels kinda trash. (Things like Nasus, which you could previously beat, basically steam-roll you automatically now)

Give her a 100% AD scaling on her Q and i'll be happy though. I think it's the fact that her Q does less damage than her autos up until rank 3 that bothers me. I'd personally also kill for her passive to deal true damage instead of magic...but that's probably just a pipe dream at this point.

FrostQueensPlane1 votes

Give it a year and she'll be broken and people will be crying for nerfs.

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