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If RIOT nerfs Nautilus E again, he is basically done in the jungle

PapaGreg21··63 votes·4,042 views

At this point, they might as well make him into a support champion because jungle clears are going to take all day long.

Remember this change to him in season 5? Riot wrote this as they nerfed his w to focus his power into his e:

"By being the cornerstone to both his offensive AND defensive ability, Titan's Wrath forces Nautilus into a playstyle that is very binary - break the shield and he's harmless, or suffer if you fail to do so. Shifting power into Riptide lets him clear faster and take more actions per teamfight, which are two key areas we thought were weighing him down."

What's the point of even having riptide anymore? It was a nice aoe ability for jungle camps but clearly he is being pushed out of that position and into lane so it might as well get reworked into something else. They focused all his power in season 5 into riptide and now it is going to be lousy.

As an added bonus they are going to nerf the health on all the tanky items which is awful for him because his shield scales off health. So now he is getting indirect nerfs to another ability as well because of items which is ridiculous for a champion that has narrowly below a 50% win rate right now.

This tank update at midseason better err on the side of tanks being too strong because right now Nautilus is the only tank with top 10 play rate in top lane (and he'll probably be out of it after these nerfs) and Amumu is the only jungler that is in the top 10 for play rate (and I assume he'll get nerfed soon as well). We're not getting a lot of incentive from Riot to play tanks and haven't been for a long time.

62 Comments

Ralanr32 votes

I thought his jungle was gutted a long time ago honestly.

KoKoboto8 votes

It's still very possible to jungle with him, his clear is slower early but fast much like other cinderhulk junglers later on and his ganks are solid. Getting invaded against the Lee Sins holds him back but proper routes and asking for help decrease this weakness much like with other weak junglers.

TheSingularity1 votes

Actually his clears suck untill hyper late game. Since almost his entire jungle clear budget is in his W, which gets popped after 2 autos, his clear is appalling until he has an obscene amount of hp.

Due to horrid clears he has less gank pressure (less frequency) and less map pressure. You basically sacrifice the map to the enemy by picking naut.

I tried really hard to make him work in the current jungle. But his clears are legit so horrid that he isn't worth picking in the jungle when zac exists

Tuffnar1 votes

Basically kindred, maybe one day I can play my main again ;w;7

TheSingularity1 votes

You and me both :) I had no trouble making naut work until mid season 6. (started in season 3) Seasons 3 and 4, where tank junglers who weren't amumu/zac were considered meh was absolute heaven. Naut was a surprise pick, hell people thought I was trolling but omfg it was fun ruining the day of all dem assassins. Now..... the only tanks who can jungle almost as effectively as the "strong" picks (not the god tier ones) are Amumu Zac Sion Rammus RekSai. Feels bad when Alistar Braum Maokai Nautilus Shen TahmKench Sejuani Skarner Malphite all feel bleh in the jungle

Skins Project1 votes

Try attack speed braum.. Not much a tank but a great fuking duelist.

TheSingularity1 votes

Exactly how I run him rune wise into titanic tank item wise

Skins Project1 votes

xD

chipndip11 votes

No one even remembers that Poppy was meant to be a jungle option...

FalconPawwwwnch23 votes

Easy fix if they have to

Just make riptide do more damage to monsters

Gosh Darn1 votes

Made this thread a while back and got downvoted. His jungle hasn't been a problem for years, yet it's been absolutely gutted because of Nautilus support and top. Riptide could do double damage against monsters and his clears would still be insanely low. He has the lowest AS of any non-gimmick champion like Graves or juggernauts except for Annie. The 325 MS also holds him back from being a busted ganker.

AlienPrimate1 votes

He has low movement speed because his Q. With a little cdr, you can have a massive dash on a 3-4 second cooldown. This doesn't help him at all early game but they have to make him a little slower with him being able to dash up to 1100 units every 3 seconds late game. That equates to a maximum of 360 bonus movement speed.

Hexs Fortune4 votes

Only fighters are allowed in rito jungle sorry

PapaGreg214 votes

Graves is the only viable tank jungler now.

Anhartamin3 votes

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PapaGreg215 votes

It was a joke

mrgiraffeweevil3 votes

Hey man, remember, this is gameplay, not memes and games. Our kind of enjoyment is not welcome here.

TheMinez2 votes

Rammus armor intensifies

PapaGreg213 votes

Rammus is great until the enemy picks Graves, Shaco, Lee Sin or whoever and just walks up to Rammus and kills him in his own jungle at level 2. Then follows him around and makes his life miserable the rest of the game and starves him out of exp and gold. If the enemy jungler is dumb and just leaves Rammus alone to gank and farm, then Rammus is the man.

ShaolinToilet1 votes

Rammus is a good graves counterpick

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

Except Graves literally goes first item BC over half the time and will shred all of the armor you intend to buy while also lowering your damage due to your passive and W scaling off of Armor.

Synnx74 votes

Riot nerfing the best champ, lore wise, etc. for the sake of their fucking LC$ Fla$hy Pay$.

invisiblecat13 votes

IDK why Riot would nerf his E before any other ability, considering how weak it is

N Komaeda1 votes

It's an AoE slow. An AoE slow.

Do you not get how valuable that is? Especially looking at how it functions!

invisiblecat12 votes

Yes, but Ivern's is 100% better, and the damage on it is trash

TheSingularity2 votes

An aoe slow than can be out run/isn't reliable unless they're point blank and really close. Anivia Ekko Gangplank Gragas Gnar Ivern JarvanIV Kassadin KogMaw Lux MissFortune Orianna Singed Syndra Zac Zed Ziggs. All have AOE slows that are far more reliable and have far smoother animations than naut's E, and on basic abilites (I include anivia as her ult may as well be a basic ability). Add to that higher damage on nearly every one of these champions' slows and nauts E is pretty bleh in terms of being a slow.

Project omen3 votes

It's funny because Nautilus was intended to be a jungler at first.

Incognonymous2 votes

That was a stupid fucking change anyway. The proper way to make his W less binary was to have the on hit be passive and it splash only while the shield was up.

The emphasis on E just made him more like any tank with moderate AoE, only weaker in virtually every way sans spamming the shit out of it and hoping you don't go OOM.

Alex h87212 votes

Yeah, naut is a toplaner or support, he can waveclear just fine toplane, and the support tank position fits him well too, but good god his jungle clears are just godawfully slow and thats not gonna work in this meta.

o Eon O2 votes

Op.gg doesn't even have a play rate for Nautilus jung because it's so rare. The dude isn't a jungler, he's a sup and top laner, and it;s needed. He is stupidly strong in the top lane with his kit/numbers

PapaGreg215 votes

He has an under 50% win rate. How is that stupidly strong?

Limrick2 votes

He's being nerfed because he's in almost every LCS game.

SpaghettiVase1 votes

he's picked because he's a great tank with a shield that scales off his max health, not because he's some super lethal champ with 100-0 capability.

SweedishGunner2 votes

I don't get why they're nerfing him though. He's a tank with lots of CC who does tank things, he has respectable damage early which falls off late when he doesn't build AP. Where's the issue?

Zenthon Prime4 votes

His E gives him good early waveclear, which is overpowered in LCS. Why they don't buff other parts of his kit to compensate is beyond me.

Chønklord3 votes

His E was already nerfed last year tho...

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

Because that is basically the exact same reason why Maokai got nerfed. He just tanks and pushes until team fights start where he is god like on the level of Maokai in terms of tankiness and utility he brings, at the very least for pro play. Its why we would constantly see Maokai vs Naut in pro play. They are being picked not because they can dominate lane, but because of how good they are getting through it with low risk of losing lane while being excellent team fighters.

edit: also because unlike solo q, expect excellent play and picks from junglers. I say this because there are counters to naut and maokai if you want to win lane like Darius Except if your trying to win lane with him and champs like him, your going to have to push. which in pro play means your going to have to be able to survive 1v2's and still be healthy enough to lane after the gank. That aint going to happen against the CC and damage Maokai and Naut have early on coupled with the damage and CC the jungler is going to do. That's why only Jayce Fiora Camille were really seen along with them, only ones who could realistically do that in pro play.

General Esdeath 2 votes

The reason why I stopped playing Chogath DrMundo Malphite is because any time a juggernaut even starts to do well, an items tanks use gets nerfed. Because nerfing the HP on champs that do a lot of damage while being tanky is the clear issue in a game where everyone does too much damage.

PapaGreg211 votes

I don't know why they just don't have items specific for a certain set of champions. It would help from abuse and allow intended champs to flourish in their intended design. This is an example of having too much freedom in the game and something that other MOBAS have eliminated as an issue by limiting your item/ability paths.

Lil Lewd Witch1 votes

I didn't know people tried to do Naut Jungle anymore, he's been regarded as a Top Laner for quite some time now.

Tyberius114 votes

And support too!Nautilus

Wyrmblade3 votes

I haven't seen any tank junglers in forever. Maybe one or two amumus but other than that absolutely nothing. People wonder why top in pro play is Maokai Naut and poppy when there are no viable jungle tanks.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

Zac Galio Amumu no tank junglers nope nope

Dank Memes 333 1 votes

Good, he was never intended to be a jungler

Weissritter9 votes

LOL how long have you been around? He was originally meant to be a jungler. Unfortunately like all tank junglers his early game was so bad he found his niche elsewhere in support and top after several years under the radar.

Legit triggers me that no one remembers nauts original primary role was jungle.

trash sion1 votes

Riot needs to treat him like a Sion when it comes to W. Make the shield relatively useless unless he maxes it. If need be, make his E do extra damage to monsters like Yi Q to speed up his clear. Really all he needs is a bit more sustained AoE damage from E and he'll be fine. Relying too much on either W or E makes him oppressive in lane, so Riot would have to tune him for jungle in a way that wouldn't influence lane.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

His W IS next to useless if he doesn't max it though. It doubles from rank 1-5 while being slightly better than Malphite passive at rank 1 (9% max health with 65 base as opposed to 17% max health and 85 base at rank 5).

trash sion1 votes

As it should be, just like Sion's. He should have to invest in it to rely on it.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

That is what it currently does though.....why are we complaining about something that isn't wrong if you are agreeing with me that it is fine?

Colgate Gator1 votes

Yeah, I remember I mainly played Naut in the jungle, and sometimes top and support when I was feeling cheeky.

Oh how have the times changed...

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