Nerf Zilean's ultimate.

WinBoat·Apr 14, 2016·2 votes·1,224 views

While everyone complains about a certain champion or two, how about some of these others that go under the radar?

Has one of the most annoying ultimates. The ability to revive a target. Not only is that annoying, but the main problem I want addressed is the abysmal low cooldown it has. Seriously, the CD on his ultimate is incredibly short. He can practically spam it almost, and it's certainly ready every teamfight.

So Riot, get on this and increase the cooldown on this ult, it's already annoying enough.

10 Comments

ZalieriApr 14, 20163 votes

Let him ult. Count to four, ignite, and walk away.

AttackOnTeemosApr 14, 20161 votes

You do know Ziliean has many the lowest armor/MR ratio in the whole game. His ult is only lasting a few seconds so I don't see the issue here o.o.

WinBoatApr 14, 20161 votes

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You do know Ziliean has many the lowest armor/MR ratio in the whole game. His ult is only lasting a few seconds so I don't see the issue here o.o.

You do know that he outputs good damage and has safe laning phases regardless of which lane he is in? His damage output is annoying, and it's good, and it's hard to avoid cause the zone is quite large. So naturally, he shouldn't have good armor/MR ratio, so whats your point? That doesn't address how stupid the low CD of his ultimate actually is.

AttackOnTeemosApr 14, 20162 votes

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You do know that he outputs good damage and has safe laning phases regardless of which lane he is in? His damage output is annoying, and it's good, and it's hard to avoid cause the zone is quite large. So naturally, he shouldn't have good armor/MR ratio, so whats your point? That doesn't address how stupid the low CD of his ultimate actually is.

You throw one bomb hit rewind then throw another bomb please tell me how many times you can do that in a lane without his mana pool :>

WinBoatApr 14, 20161 votes

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You throw one bomb hit rewind then throw another bomb please tell me how many times you can do that in a lane without his mana pool :>

I don't have Zilean to do so but the damage output is more than enough before he is out of mana. Essentially by the time he is out of mana, your HP is very low, especially if you are bot lane. I have not seen a Zilean have mana issues really, so, I don't get why you keep trying to defend him and bringing up irrelevant points? The topic is about his low CD on his ult needing a nerf. If his mana sucks, then well, riot should compensate and buff his mana regen or give him more mana or reduce the mana cost on a skill or two.

His mana doesn't change his ultimate, I don't think I've seen a Zilean not have mana to ult someone or himself? I seen some not be able to get their ults off in time and die fast, or their ults wear off before that someone dies.

Anyhow, he has a safe laning phase as is, even has a speed boost which you cant catch him and stuff, the problem still is the ultimate and its CD, i'm fine with everything else.

AttackOnTeemosApr 14, 20161 votes

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I don't have Zilean to do so but the damage output is more than enough before he is out of mana. Essentially by the time he is out of mana, your HP is very low, especially if you are bot lane. I have not seen a Zilean have mana issues really, so, I don't get why you keep trying to defend him and bringing up irrelevant points? The topic is about his low CD on his ult needing a nerf. If his mana sucks, then well, riot should compensate and buff his mana regen or give him more mana or reduce the mana cost on a skill or two.

His mana doesn't change his ultimate, I don't think I've seen a Zilean not have mana to ult someone or himself? I seen some not be able to get their ults off in time and die fast, or their ults wear off before that someone dies.

Anyhow, he has a safe laning phase as is, even has a speed boost which you cant catch him and stuff, the problem still is the ultimate and its CD, i'm fine with everything else.

HIS ULT is no different from a GA, Even IF you killed someone with them with his ultimate they won't revive for about three seconds. The two issues I see you complaining about is his damage and his Ultimate. Currently right now this is dawn of the tanks. Even an Aegis would shutdown a chuck of his damage. His CS to his Ult is fine.

Honestly HOW many games have you played against a Ziliean? To top that answer how many games have you played against a GOOD Zil? 9/ 10 when I see Zil ult someone they run away and wait for it to expire THEN go back into a fight and die. 129 other champions that have CC that can kill a Zil or force him to blow his ult. For you to say seven seconds is still plenty of time for someone to get hurt on, CC does wonders on people.

I can go on forever how easy it is to counter a Zil, his ult cd is perfectly fine.

xl Kirito lxApr 14, 20161 votes

Speaking to Zillean in general, he's sleeper OP right now. Between his ultimate and his E, he allows to completely invalidate classes, while breaking others. Probably won't get nerfed down until playrate spikes though.

ValyrianBladeApr 14, 20161 votes

It'd be nice if either: a) It didn't last so long... it's unreasonable to not have to target someone for 5 seconds and just let them wail on your team. Kayle's is invulnerability to damage and it's been nerfed down to what, 2 seconds? Zilean's is a full out revive, he should need to time it well, 2.5 seconds at most. b) It didn't revive them with so much health... 1100 + 200% AP? Try like 30% max HP like GA?

AttackOnTeemosApr 14, 20162 votes

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It'd be nice if either: a) It didn't last so long... it's unreasonable to not have to target someone for 5 seconds and just let them wail on your team. Kayle's is invulnerability to damage and it's been nerfed down to what, 2 seconds? Zilean's is a full out revive, he should need to time it well, 2.5 seconds at most. b) It didn't revive them with so much health... 1100 + 200% AP? Try like 30% max HP like GA?

Provided he builds Pure AP, If that's the case he ISNT being a Support he is being a glass cannon nuke.

WinBoatApr 14, 20161 votes

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It'd be nice if either: a) It didn't last so long... it's unreasonable to not have to target someone for 5 seconds and just let them wail on your team. Kayle's is invulnerability to damage and it's been nerfed down to what, 2 seconds? Zilean's is a full out revive, he should need to time it well, 2.5 seconds at most. b) It didn't revive them with so much health... 1100 + 200% AP? Try like 30% max HP like GA?

I think I'm ok with how long it sorta lasts, it's just the CD that he can use it almost every other second, or time you turn around. But yeah you offer good suggestions. Someone also said he has the lowest MR/Armor as an excuse for his bullshit. Well, he also does incredible damage which is hard to avoid from a safe distance and has the speed to get away from said damage threats. Anyhow, above all, I just hate the ultimate, but more so the CD of it, I'm ok with it in the game, but the CD is nasty.

Yeah, Kayle has a short ultimate, don't have a problem with it, but more so with Tryndamere's and Zilean's.