INCOMING DOWNVOTES
I really do like the idea. This means sometimes 3-4 people on my team will have communication and know what they're doing, so they can peel and fight WITH COMMUNICATION. Thx for adding this.-
Trash MammaI11 votesPeople don't like this idea because it gives premades too much control over the other people. They decide if you win or lose your promo with a simple click if they don't like you. They decide what goes and if you disagree they have the number size to report you (or at least convince the enemy team too because they don't know they are the premades)
I'd like the idea too if I didn't have to be that 1 guy in a 4 man premade being told im shit when i'm the only one doing good then get reported because "HURR EVERYONE REPORT THIS GUY HE TOXIC"
KatCraft6 votesI've been there, and there is no greater hell in this game than being the 1 in a 4 man premade.
IS3E531E3F9643916 voteson the other hand there are also good 4 man premades, but of course since they play well and are nice you do not know they are a 4 man premades causing you to only remember and know about the bad 4 man premades
Dar Raksada3 votesI've been there, and there is no greater hell in this game than being the 1 in a 4 man premade.
I've made good friends as the single person playing with a 4man premade.
DrCyanide5 votesA duo can already choose to feed or make bad plays and cost you the game, that's nothing new.
Reports are a mute point as well, since one report after the game is treated the same as nine.
So the only thing that remains is that people can be idiots in chat, but that's nothing unique to premades either.
At the end of the day, there needs to be a better argument for why this is a bad idea, because all the arguments I've seen don't look like they're holding water.
The Queen Viper3 votesAt the end of the day, there needs to be a better argument for why this is a bad idea, because all the arguments I've seen don't look like they're holding water.
Ever heard of ranked integrity and balance?
It's not only unfair that a yoloQ player is placed with and against premades, but it's also highly imbalanced due to the fact that premades may or may not have a better communication and synergy with each other.
DrCyanide3 votesWhat I see in those posts is people wanting to keep the "YOLO" in "Solo Queue." Coordinating with others naturally makes the game easier, but they'd rather have that removed because... they want a challenge more than just climbing? They don't have friends they want to play with?
My go-to duo partner just got to Silver 5 after starting Bronze 2. She's significantly better than many of the Silver 3-2 we've been matched with, both while soloing and duoing (ADCs that on their first back get upgraded boots with alacrity when they're behind, for example). "Ranked integrity" is a joke for most people who play this game because of the way placements/MMR work, and will be until there's a better distinction between the quality of players at lower elos.
Most normal games I play are as the 3-4 man premade. I play with some great people, so the odd man out gets first pick on what role they want. All game we're updating each other on how the lanes are going, talking each other out of bad plays, adapting our strategy, and pinging so the other player has some idea what's going on. Ranked, by comparison, feels like trying to play without the minimap. You lose a lot of that information and feedback.
Being able to queue with more than two players and less than five on Summoner's Rift is the thing I'm looking forward to the most this season.
Dehorn9 voteswe cant have a soloQ and a partyQ? partyQ would be 2, 3, 5man groups and they would play against other groups. solo would be solo.
KONO RUBICK DA2 voteswe cant have a soloQ and a partyQ? partyQ would be 2, 3, 5man groups and they would play against other groups. solo would be solo.
Dota 2 has this system, the problem is that 2 man Q needs solo people and it ends with a team made of a lot of premade combinations and toxicity. and to speak about the 4 man premade, in a lot of situation you end up playing a role you dislike or being reported if you go mid while someone is mid.
what you need to do is delete premades with more than 3 people. 5 man ranked should be in 5v5 ranked games not soloQ. 4 man premade can lead to a lot of toxicity.
Penns6 votesWhat exactly does that mean? I havent heard anything about that, but if there will be 3-,4- or 5- man premades in actual soloQ, thats an awful idea lol. Thats basically the reason why normal games suck if youre playing them alone... Someone explain/ link plox I dont find anything on Google :[
Weathered1 votesWhat exactly does that mean? I havent heard anything about that, but if there will be 3-,4- or 5- man premades in actual soloQ, thats an awful idea lol. Thats basically the reason why normal games suck if youre playing them alone... Someone explain/ link plox I dont find anything on Google :[
As a silver player, I would rather have poor communication with the rest of the team because they are all in a call than have poor communication because the rest of the team is AFK'ing or complaining after they fed. If the rest of the team is coordinated and in a call, great, because then i can just follow them (if there doing well obviously) and we can win.
Niaphim5 votesThere are positive points in this new system. But:
Professor Ward5 votesim still confused on how i can "soloq" with 5 people
Abyssphere1 votesim still confused on how i can "soloq" with 5 people
I'm not sure it'll be called solo queue anymore.
Prozzak5 votesNot sure about others, but I myself have my reservations against it simply because it is no longer Solo Q anymore. It has nothing to do with being stuck with 3 other people from a premade and more to do with now we have Team ranked and full team ranked and no just Solo Q ranked (mind you duo part already messed with it but had to deal with that).
Riot basically removed Solo Q, not really a cool thing to do in my eyes because it now somewhat removes the allure of making it to Plat/Diamond/whatever in that Q.
JackMcSnipeyz4 votesYep, i'd much rather have 4 people work together with me rather than having 4 strangers go try to solo carry. Also what has higher chance? That 4 people will que with the sole intentions ruining someone's game? Or that 1 guy will? Think about that before you whine about every change you see
Cynika4 votesIf you want to have 4 other people working with you, then play team ranked
JackMcSnipeyz1 votesIf you want to have 4 other people working with you, then play team ranked
I already do, i think 5 premade is stupid. Im talking about 2-3 and 4 parties, as long as their in the same ranks, why not let me play with 2 more friends, cause your'e afraid we'll troll you? Guess what - i can troll ln my own too, and when im alone i have a LOT less to lose (theoraticly speaking ofcourse)
Cynika3 votesI already do, i think 5 premade is stupid. Im talking about 2-3 and 4 parties, as long as their in the same ranks, why not let me play with 2 more friends, cause your'e afraid we'll troll you? Guess what - i can troll ln my own too, and when im alone i have a LOT less to lose (theoraticly speaking ofcourse)
I'm not worried about trolling, I'm worried about one side having an advantage because they know and work well together. I want to be able to queue alone and know both sides are going to have the same communication/cooperation restrictions.
JackMcSnipeyz1 votesI'm not worried about trolling, I'm worried about one side having an advantage because they know and work well together. I want to be able to queue alone and know both sides are going to have the same communication/cooperation restrictions.
Well, riot stated that the matchmakimg will look and match you with other premades against you
Penguin Eclipse2 votesWell, riot stated that the matchmakimg will look and match you with other premades against you
They say the same thing about normals now. Doesn't usually happen.
JackMcSnipeyz1 votes[{quoted}](name=Penguin Eclipse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fuvU2bak,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-04T18:37:16.264+0000)
They say the same thing about normals now. Doesn't usually happen.
Well normals is a bit different since its less competetive, so its okay for a 4 premade to be against a duo and randoms. Also, i rarely ever got matched with a 4 premade team, and if i have, i probably didnt notice
The Queen Viper4 votes[{quoted}](name=Nami Used Surf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fuvU2bak,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-11-04T08:15:08.261+0000)
This means sometimes 3-4 people on my team will have communication and know what they're doing, so they can peel and fight WITH COMMUNICATION.
Sure, however you do understand that this puts YOU as a solo player into a disadvantage, right? Making games more imbalanced? especially if your lane opponent belongs to that similar premade the enemy team has ... and that's why majority of the people don't like about it.
It can also kill ranked integrity where people can boost their friends even better now (also actual elo-boosting is going to be easier).
(Not to mention that current duoQ premades also had communication, yet they usually fail, at least in my games ... what makes you think 3 and 4 people are any different? What happens if they ignore you and just help their friends?)
Phuc Dat Bich4 votesEnjoy the 4 man insta surrend because you "Let" their friend die so now they would attack you
Oh you play as solo in a 3--4 man team? ENJOY THE CURSING everything you do is your fault
Oh you wanted to play TOP? good luck finding an active Queue now the premades would have already pick all the roles and if you want a fast timer better pick support (Team builder anyone? 25 minutes to find a game if you pick as a role top or mid)
Yeah "enjoy it"
PIMPSMOOTH3 votesUpvoted
Borbland3 votesYeah, also I think those 4 man bulliyng the 5th man wont last long, since I expect Riot to be really severe when it comes to stuff like this (inb4, alot of ranked/chat restrictions comming).
In the short term we will have alot of kids being annoying, but they'll get "sorted" ;)
dunder kill5 votesalso I think those 4 man bulliyng the 5th man wont last long, since I expect Riot to be really severe when it comes to stuff like this
100% wrong. I've gotten a warning from a 3 man premade ganging up and reporting me for absolutely no reason after a game once. There is no penalty for reporting as many people as you want for no reason
warpenguin5553 votesDo we agree that full premade shouldn't be a thing in soloq though?
iainB853 votesIf it's a good idea or not clearly remains to be seen.
My main issue is they are completely destroying solo queue and forcing our hand whether we agree it's a good idea or not.
Couldn't they at least kept solo queue in tact and make it an option? It feels like Riot knows this queue wouldn't opt in a lot of players, so they are forcing it on us until we accept it.
Carnarius3 voteshonestly, as it name stands for itself, soloq should be for SOLO players, not premades. it will create great disbalance, i can see all these unlucky people having premades in enemy teams and gets stomped, in for example 5 games in a row. so it's a big no from me, heck, there should't be duoq as well, as it's just a shortcut in rising in divisions
Kat Head3 votesOne of the most complained about aspects of solo queue was the duo queue portion of it. Why on earth would Riot choose to expand on the part most people voiced displeasure with ?
What does Riot have against solo players ? Why are you guys punishing us ?
I was looking forward to all of the awesome changes and improvements within the client and the new team builder style queue, but Dynamic Groups completely ruins it.
Myrddin2 votesim happy that i can now do ranked with all of my friends even if we dont have 5
Photos of Ghosts2 votesThis is nice. What's despicable is giving yet another bonus to playing with friends, some of us like to relate to strangers.
Ignis02 votesPeople don't understand that this practically eliminates ELO hell as long as you have people to queue with. No more lost games because of afks, trolls, and terrible communicated plays. If you're one of the people without someone to queue quit complaining and make some goddamned friends. Go under team recruitment in the boards or skype with random people in norms. 95% of the games will be 5v5 not 5v1+1+1+1+1+1. The 5% will be 5v4+1 which isn't that bad since I guarantee the four will be babysitting the 5th because of their lack of communication. These are good changes. I welcome them.
Maximum Morde2 votesThere is no solo queue. I'd like to have one but rito doesn't want me to have it
Akali is SO HOT2 votesCome back and tell me that after you constantly get flamed and trolled by 3 and 4 man premades
Penguin Eclipse2 votes[{quoted}](name=Nami Used Surf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fuvU2bak,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-11-04T08:15:08.261+0000)
INCOMING DOWNVOTES
I really do like the idea. This means sometimes 3-4 people on my team will have communication and know what they're doing, so they can peel and fight WITH COMMUNICATION. Thx for adding this.-
And when your team has that communication and the enemy team has 5 solo's... that's fucking bullshit.
Lugg2 votesThe problem with pre-made teams is that it's COMPLETELY unfair to the players who don't have a team. Plus it allows sub-par players to be carried to a higher ELO than they deserve. Solo q should only be for single players. Duo and teams should have a completely different category.
Lady Hammerlock1 votesi personally like this because i hate it when people communicate at the last second they pick a role and steal your role.... but people who Q alone will be at a mega mega mega uncomfortable area
Jacknife1 votesThis is my hope with the new system. With what we have it's kinda hard to gauge your actual performance outside of personal statistics since all the system does is look at what you do for each game, not exactly what you contribute. This way it can actually judge teamwork and varying factors, on top of the fact that a ranked system based on a team-focused game will now revolve around teamwork.
CoolKnightST1 votesI honnestly feel like it could help the ballance for mmr system that is currently in place. We should ask ourself how much duo Q effects the mmr system. Honnestly I feel like the impact is just massive. I also think that duo Q will hurt the mmr system more than Q'ing up like 5. Mostly in higher brackets of play. I also think it will indirectly improve the skill level of the players. Since they they will be confronted with higher level communication. This can be really positive for LCS since the gap between a regular & a team player will be reduced.
Incognonymous1 votesRiot accounts for this increased cooperation and matches the premade up. Which means playing with a premade is intentionally mismatching yourself against higher players.
Not sure if that includes the randoms they pick up to round out a team, but do you really want to be that person?
Maximum Morde2 votesRiot accounts for this increased cooperation and matches the premade up. Which means playing with a premade is intentionally mismatching yourself against higher players.
The enemy players will only be higher mmr on average if they are not also premade and getting an inflated mmr for matchmaking purposes. Now, the solo players pulled into these matches will on average have higher mmr than the people in the premades.
Incognonymous1 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Morde,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fuvU2bak,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2015-11-04T16:52:45.034+0000)
The enemy players will only be higher mmr on average if they are not also premade and getting an inflated mmr for matchmaking purposes. Now, the solo players pulled into these matches will on average have higher mmr than the people in the premades.
This is almost never the case. I mean, ideally, yeah, premades will be matched with other premades. It doesn't end up happening though.
Athenes Lulu1 votesIf the max limit of people in a premade group is 3, then there won't be those kind of those "monkey in the middle" blames anymore.
Q'ing with more tha one friend, otherwise, is not a bad idea at all, it's just the extreme toxicity people tend to create when there's a 4-man premade that WILL get that one lone wolf into trouble over the smallest stupid reasons.
Zalenor1 votesI definitely see where people are coming from in wanting to separate the Solo from the Party queue, but people are focusing way too much on the negative.
Trolls, jerks, and AFK/Feeders will always exist, even in solo. Is there a chance the 4-man you are paired with will flame and surrender? Sure. But there is also a chance they are awesome and will be helpful. The "issues" with pre-mades will be affecting both teams, too, not just your own.
I've seen a bunch of people complaining about groups only helping their friends, not involving the rest of the team in their plans, and so on. I'm sure it does happen, but again, the opposite also happens. I always duo in ranked with my cousin, and being on voice chat actually lets us help the other lanes more because we can coordinate ganks or when I can roam to mid as a support. We've been able to save the other lanes from losing situations and our games a few times with the extra coordination. Some will say this is a problem because the enemy team will be more coordinated; well, your team will likely be too.
Whenever Riot releases a new feature like this people freak out, but I don't think it will be nearly as bad as people think it will. Our minds go into "worst case scenario" mode way too fast. Personally, I'm excited for the changes to ranked, particularly for the champ select and for the new system for climbing the ranked ladder.
thumbnail91 votesIts a good way to casually get people to pick up communication in ranked.
Also Solo queue for the most part is a ways away from "trying"
Anomander1 votesPersonally I think they just need to delete both team and solo q and just make it the single Dynamic q......
Quietscream1 votesI have no intention of going into the forums to find friends to be able to play ranked, or get trolled by obnoxious people who refuse to cooperate because they trust their voice chat friends more than ''the random player who filled our team''