Before you continue to buff crit

That build versus the auto attack adc does all of jack. I also okay with black cleaver being removed % pentration of an already underwhelming stat isnt really healthy

and of course ability-based marksmen as well so ezreal, corki, miss fortune, varus, etc don't just dominate again XD

oh, I know, lower their base ad by 5, that always solves the problem

look at and and I forget who else that it became a meme...

and the 18+ ad buffs they gave to adcs when gold nerfed crit items (not damage nerfed gold nerfed) -4 base ad +22 scaling ad on average on every adc. Also the hp buffs they gave them Why dont adcs every get nerfs without getting buffs and learn to play with the nerfs like bruisers and tanks have to.

Or just nerf Brand, which has been warranted for all too long. Other outliers would receive similar treatment, as they are strong mostly only due to their need to combat overall power of AD champions this meta. There are far more mages that aren't performing at top levels that don't need the collective nerf to the class.

Alternatively on the AD side, the champions that are performing worse are mostly those who would actually benefit from an overall AD decrease since they tend to be the ones who shine in slightly longer fights (at least non-insta-burst fights).

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If you nerf all AD items you'd have to nerf AP items. I don't know about you but I don't want a bunch of Brand APC's replacing the current ADCs just because AD items are bad.

Tank items would also need to be hit.

If AD and AP items get nerfed/ended up bad.

Tanks would end up immortal.

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If you nerf all AD items you'd have to nerf AP items. I don't know about you but I don't want a bunch of Brand APC's replacing the current ADCs just because AD items are bad.

Brand was buffed because of the loss of Deathfire Touch. Don't get me wrong, they shouldn't have done it, but most other AP DFT users received nothing and it shows. Also the AP items were already nerfed for the most part in the "rework"

I wouldn't mind some Brand APCs carrying as bot lane. I would love if were the bot lane meta for a while (with marksmen still making up 30% of bot lane picks or so). One thing to keep in mind though, is that MR is much more effective than armor, so the team would still need an AD source in another role to balance out the lack of an AD marksmen bot. That means that you'd still likely see marksmen in top or jungle or even mid so the marksmen class would still be represented in the game even if marksmen weren't viable in bot for a while (and 30% pick rate would still be considered plenty viable by non-marksmen-monopoly standards).

I think the healthiest diverse meta would look something like this: Top: Primary front line (Tanks[all], fighters[all], Battle Mages, beefier Skirmishers)

Jng: High engage / beyond enemy lines (Vanguards, Divers, Slayers[all])

Mid: Extremely diverse; Artillery (artillery mages, marksmen), Assassins, Battle Mages, utility/cc mages

Sup: Diverse utility providers (enchanters, wardens, utility/cc mages)

Bot: Long-ranged damage dealers (artillery mages, marksmen) and utility carries (utility/cc mages, secondary enchanters) for extra laning synergy with a support

Every role would also have some exceptions, like top Urgot (unique marksman/juggernaut), jungle Fiddlesticks (mage) and Kindred (marksman), mid enchanters (lulu) as counters against overly high-engage focused team compositions (ie., double assassin comps), odd supports like Teemo (AP marksman) and Shaco (assassin/catcher) for vision control via traps, and special cases like bot Mordekaiser (juggernaut).

So team comps in such a diverse meta could vary a lot between matches: Top: Jng: Mid: Sup: Bot:

Or

Top: Jng: Mid: Sup: Bot:

Or

Top: Jng: Mid:
Sup: Bot:

And every class would be playable in around 2 different roles each. Rather than a marksman being mandatory, you'd just need to fulfill these requirements: a front line, a back line, sources of magic damage, sources of physical damage, sources of CC/utility.

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If you nerf all AD items you'd have to nerf AP items. I don't know about you but I don't want a bunch of Brand APC's replacing the current ADCs just because AD items are bad.

Nerf Brand. He is ridiculous anyway