What support do you need to see do well in low MMR for you to believe the role is viable to climb on?
Currently the list I will rotate thru is
Who else should I add to rotation?
(I am looking for champions that are "Bad" and "impossible to climb" even with when playing them correctly.)
Blåsigt2 votesHonestly, supports are one of the most important roles (although under appreciated). You can definitely be the factor between a win and a loss.
JayH1 votesjust abuse full ap lux in bot lane, or if ur ad picks cait take morgana and abuse the trap binding combo.
Kai Guy1 votesThat's the exact opposite of what I want to accomplish. Looking for the "oh its 0 impact" champions.
Rewt1 votesThresh is a monster.
You can hook priority targets in the fights, Yoink allies to safety or to the engagement. You have some of the most powerful disruptions of any support.
On the other hand playing Pyke is pretty strong too. you can clean up entire teamfights with your ult.
Kai Guy2 votesI don't want whats strong. the opposite, the champions who folks feel cant make any impact solo because of their supportive kits is what im going for.
Midg3t1 votes
and maybe dont even consider the rest.
Kai Guy3 votesYour missing the point. I want the ones players think are weak or unviable in low MMR.
Midg3t1 votes[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fqm3laNc,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-08-26T21:06:55.621+0000)
Your missing the point. I want the ones players think are weak or unviable in low MMR.
every enchanter and tank are weak and unviable in low MMR because you need a team to bring their potential.
but since you wanna be specific then 
and
Saevum1 votesSolo Q or Flex?
Jonesybones1 votesSupports don't carry. Any support main who says other wise is lying to you. They played non traditional supports and just cheesed out of low elo. And thats not a support main to me. Thats someone who looks down up low elo players, lies to them and says support mains do climb and have the luxary of playing with players who are more aware.
Basically high elo pretentious jerks.
Kalienor1 votesPersonally, I started to climb when I stopped thinking like this and actually tried to listen to what better players had to say. Then, when you hit high Plat, you understand Bronze to Plat was only half of the way to actually being a good player and you curse yourself for all the time you wasted thinking you were at your best fighting against a supposedly rigged system.
That's not pretentious to see how wide the skill gap between a low elo player and a high elo player is. I kinda stopped in the middle and I can tell you, there is a huge difference between you and me already and it's still nothing compared to a Diamond player.
Jonesybones1 votesNaww you don't say. i know there is a huge difference. How ever IDC how good you are, you are not carrying with blitz or leona unless your team works together. I play traditional supports. I feel i have a fairly good grasp on supporting. I even critize my mistakes and try to keep my deaths less then 5. I know when to roam mid.
This is what i hate about ppl who have made it to plat. They automatically assume every support in gold or below knows nothing. And assume because they don't play AP carries they are not good enough to climb. But wait then they try to say ''supports are impactfull and leona and bliitz can carry.'' When in reality they don't play those supports in the first place.
You're plat and you patronize low elo players. Its ok its what all players plat and up do. They mock pl below their rank. Same with gold. Gold players have a huge ego so they think they are better then the rest of us and they deserve higher.
Kai Guy1 votesAdd Leo and blitz To the rotation Gotcha.
Kai Guy2 votesWell I am high gold to low plat. I have climbed with 
and I climbed silver to gold in flex this season With 
when people stupidly called her weak because of release win rates.
So uhh.... You understand that I don't quite feel I am lieing to myself.
But your a great attitude to highlight for why I am makeing the effort to do this.
List some traditional supports you think lack impact for me please?
Jonesybones1 votesMy attitude is the way it is because ive heard everythin from high elo supports. I feel like you are making fun of me now.
Leona blitz, nami are the only ones i know of. I don't play modern supports. Only traditional ones.
Kai Guy2 votesIt is not my intent to insult you personally, if it was I would be direct. If any annoyance leaks thru into my posting I want you to know the context is I find it insulting when people dismiss my favorite role and classes of choice. Not a fan when i see folks acting like supports makes no impact or are irrelevant to the outcome of a game. I find that attitude to be abrasive. I disagree that supports can't function with weak teammates. Good supports are valuable in any mmr, but I get excuse after excuse for why that "no REAL support can climb." so fk it I don't mind throwing down the gauntlet.
I will let the community pick what ever they thinks "impossible". I have to learn more? Fine I enjoy improving and I'm stubborn as hell.
Look, ya called me a liar, I don't think that was intentional on your part. I wont take it personally because you did not direct it at me with intent far as I can tell. Should you have an issue with me address it as such and let me know why. The point in taking the time to do this is show that its doable. Ideally to change the mind of people like you, you think its "Supports don't carry."
I think that impact to win a game is carrying, the only metric I use is if that nexus goes BOOM. If the reason that happens was you nailed a R to decided a teamfight? That's impact.
So Leo blitz and Nami into rotation? aight. I will start grinding more BE then.
Jonesybones1 votesDude I do everything I'm suppose to as a support, I roam mid when enemy mid is pushed against our mid, I try to coordinate with team mates for set ups, I ward objectives, and deep wards in enemy jungle. My ward score is 35+ every game. I try to keep my deaths low, I literally pull the enemy under tower all the time when its appropriate like the adc, I even know that minions are an advantage when fighting.
The next thing you're gonna say you haven't masted the basics. THATS a bullshit excuse to claim why im not climbing.
you will never change my mind Because I have already attempted every tip and advice in the book by anybody in high elo. SO EXCUSE ME if i refuse to accept that supports can climb when ive been support for 4 seasons.
Kai Guy2 votesThat's why im trying to walk the talk.
Jonesybones1 votesGreat, cool. you can climb the ladder with any support. you know what, i offically hate anyone higher then silver. As a person and a player.
hrooza dota 1 voteswill i dont play a lot of ranked but i climbed from silver 4 to gold 4 in short time playing only / with few to non existence .
pretty much tank support main.
tho its depends on what [carry] means to you, does it mean killing everyone on enemy team or just being the reason your team win, if it is the latter then i did carry a lot of games as .
2000shadows1 votesSona and Lulu are normally never played. I believe Lulu is "bad" and sona is just unpopular but thats all I got for you man [slayer-pantheon-thumbs] good luck man, walk that walk and talk that talk
Kai Guy2 votesTruth be told. I don't know if I can resist AP heavy builds on sona.
DeathBurst1 votesIn Season 6, I climbed from high Bronze to Gold5 with Sona, so it's definitely possible.
Never heavy AP though. My core was Censer/Athens, and then situationally Solari/Redemption/Frozen Heart/Shurelya/Twin Shadows
2000shadows1 votesya its possible, I was just tring to think of "bad" supports in low mmr and she came to mind due to no one knowing when to stun and when to run.
Kai Guy1 votesLulu will be hard. Im garbage with her. Time to grind mechanics.
2000shadows1 votes
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nm10101 votesI would remove Rakan for being too "playmaker-y" and add Yuumi for being "team reliant". Lulu could also be added.
Kai Guy1 votesI already did Yuumi. On this account thru Silver to Gold in Flex que as a solo. Do I need to do more games with her? I am not spending any $ on the smurf account so I have to Manage my BE to some extent.
Edit. 5.13:1 KDA 3.1 / 3.8 / 16.2 56% 68 Played
ShyImagoghnar1 votesit's hard to climb with healbot and defensive supports in low elo because they are reliant on teammates having fingers
soraka, janna, lulu, etc. cannot climb alone out of low elo. braum and tahm mains will find it very difficult
pyke, bard, alistar, morg, etc. mains can have great success if they really are better than their opposition
thresh is kinda in the middle of a solo carry and a team-reliant support
Saevum1 votesThe issue is doing the right calls more than proper champion pick. All sorts of bad calls. Including when to engage and not to engage.
If you are a really good support, you know what to pick, you are not gonna feed, you don't make bad calls, you ward properly, you sweep wards properly, you peel, heal or shield properly, but hey, that's not how you climb isn't it? You will eventually rotate to other position, want it or not.
I am assuming, that Kai is gonna also rotate roles, cause i highly doubt he will get support every single time. And that's also part of the deal, which favors him. If he really just wants to hardcore support only switching roles, he is on his own. May god have mercy on his solo q paths.
Kai Guy1 votesNo need to assume. I will only be doing supports for this... and ones the community picks out.
A perk of being a support main is I will have autofill protection enabled all the time and thus Primary support secondary Mid is a Fantastic way to evade other roles. Worst case I get a mid I just dodge if teammates will not swap me role.
I got to say, I have been pleasantly surprised by the poll results.
Anyhow, did you want me to add 
to the rotation?
Also @Shy. I am keeping the rotation list updated at the top. Any one you want me to add to the list.
Saevum1 votes[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fqm3laNc,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2019-08-28T07:53:27.441+0000)
Anyhow, did you want me to add Alistair to the rotation?
Add Altaïr too while you are at it. You know, there are way better ways to handicap and torture yourself that do not involve low elo league. I am still in favor that you use a mix of mid laners down there. Lux, Brand, Zyra, Velkoz..
A i Bot 01 votesSupports can climb depending on what boots they buy...if you buy Mobi's and sit in lane, You're trolling. Gotta buy boots for how you play. I think Mobi's is a good buy for support especially if you are healthy enough to do plays and not die