If this isnt proof, I dont know what is

dunder kill··4 votes·344 views

Shaco needs a full overhaul

It's pretty apparent that after being nerfed over and over and over and over and still remaining a top tier jungler that their is something intrinsically wrong with his kit that numbers adjustments alone arent solving. Pick your poison but he's still at a 53% win rate. This guy has been nerfed like 5 times this season alone and he's still near the top.

"But he was forced into a bruiser build"

NOPE. That's not true at all. Nice try.

First off, you need to undo those buffs on the PBE. He does not need any buffs at all period. His AD assassin build is just fine. I don't want another patch of completely broken Shaco AGAIN when those changes hit live

You need to do something about his Q. 4.5 seconds of uncounterable invisibility attached to a flash is bullshit. You removed the counterplay to this ability in the preseason when you changed it from stealth to invisibility. I cant understand why you did this.

You need to do something about his clone damage. This is probably the biggest reason he stays near the top because its never addressed. it does 75% of his damage and has I-frames attached to it.

Some major mechanic of his kit needs to be changed. Its pretty damn obvious that numbers nerfs barely touch him

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oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

so a champ that can easily gank and snowball a lane in early game has a good win rate cuz of people not being aware and respecting the gank is an issue with the champ ?

L Psy Kongroo2 votes

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so a champ that can easily gank and snowball a lane in early game has a good win rate cuz of people not being aware and respecting the gank is an issue with the champ ?

Basically this. Shaco has always maintained his win rate because people are too stupid to recognize his play pattern.

You don't counterplay him mechanically, you counterplay him tactically: by not being aggressive early game, watching the map for puffs of smoke, not getting baited by his boxes/ult, properly dealing with his split pushing, not taking risky fights in lane when you don't know where he is, warding his camps instead of the bushes, etc. etc.

Countering Shaco requires a different kind of thinking than people are used to, and the majority of people playing this game can't adapt well when the situation demands it. Dealing with Shaco requires an adaptation in your playstyle; not more nerfs.

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

Stealth champs enjoy success because people tend to react kind of slowly to them. You can get anywhere upwards 25% of a health bar ripped to pieces as Twitch before anyone's even started to auto you...

It's why people complain about the likes of Blitz. You know he's there; you know exactly what Blitzcrank is going to do. If he's AD, AP, hybrid, tank, support, heals, even just building all mana and bodyblocking and baiting with mana barriers.

He gon' grab the booty, he gon' tap the booty, and then he's probably gonna run up and silence your buddy/ies. Or Master Yi; he's going to Highlander and beeline for the weakest target HP-wise because he needs the kills to reset. As soon as that first Q isn't a kill, Yi can be made to flounder really quick.

That said, I do wish they'd make executes less... everywhere. Just give them the burst so they're not also really good at shredding up tanks. They're stealth, they get the element of surprise. And Shaco traps can be sneaky little bastards, what with Fear.

archerno11 votes

So what is proof?

Inting Pillow1 votes

No Shaco is good fair champ

WarHero541 votes

You do realize that E change is a nerf right? The overall scaling is not as good anymore because it was changed to physical. Not to mention it cripples every other Shaco's item build. Look it up, plenty have done the math already. You have to get a ridiculous amount of AD to have a better overall damage not even taking armor into account yet.

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